Prigozhin Drops A Truth Bomb …

[ichkeria]

… and the Kremlin retaliates?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-65996531

It’s one thing mouthing off about how awful your defence ministry is, but telling the truth about Donetsk, and slaying the myth swallowed by so many even in the west about Ukraine attacking civilians there since 2014?

And now on his Telegram channel tonight he’s claiming that his camp was hit by a missile from the direction of Russia, with “many dead”.
Pondering how to react.
Great news?

[ichkeria]

Meanwhile back in the war …
There’s growing evidence Ukrainian forces have crossed the Dnipro in Kherson …

[Old_Geezer]

Looks more like a lost bottle operation.

[LadyCG]

I am feeling somewhat deflated by the sudden turn of ... the convoy.

[Old_Geezer]

Onwards and southwards (eastwards ?)

[royfromaus]

All very bizarre.
Prigozhin going to get a burger van then?

[LadyCG]

Is there any truth in the rumour that Lukaschenko brokered a deal?

[royfromaus]

Yeah, Prigozhin is his new chef.

[LadyCG]

Did he get spooked or was it a case that his demands were agreed to?

What a disappointing outcome :-(

[Khandro]

The most likely scenario why Progo turned back, is that Putin has Progo's wife, two children, & other of his family members being held with 'guns to their heads'. Well, that's how they would do it in the movies & ex-KGB Vlad has seen a few.

[LadyCG]

Khandro, do you really think that a man with Prigo's reputation is going to leave his family exposed in such a way? He surely knows what he was going up against?

[douglas9401]

According to BBC news he may have had some bald facts laid out to him along the lines of 'have you noticed that nobody is lining up to follow you?' and skulked off to plan his short retirement.

[Old_Geezer]

Was anyone lining up to leave, or detain either ?

Seems weird if it was a bluff, unsure what was gained that couldn't have been without the pantomine.

[Khandro]

Lady CG I'm not sure where they all are at the moment; St P. I think, but,
https://thedistin.com/2023/06/24/yevgeny-prigozhins-married-wife-and-children-meet-his-partner-lyubov-and-kids-polina-and-pavel-his-family/
But as I say, it's all going to be set to music & make a great movie someday. :0)

[ichkeria]

Prigozhin is the absolute dregs. But bad people shooting at each other is never a bad thing and now both men look faintly ridiculous after this.
Wagner did some good work today: several helicopters and planes downed with the loss of 12+ pilots.

[royfromaus]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-agents-threat-to-family-made-prigozhin-call-off-moscow-advance/ar-AA1d16aH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdb45af4ff4348d9ad3a5687038e3cad&ei=11

[Old_Geezer]

All rumour though, isn't it ? Have also seen a video suggesting it may all have been planned in order to get Prigozhin into Belarus with the newly delivered nukes without arousing global suspicion. Unsure I buy that one though, but it ain't beyond possibility.

[Khandro]

Didn't I tell you that this was likely happening?

"Russian intelligence services threatened to harm the families of Wagner leaders before Yevgeny Prigozhin called off his advance on Moscow, according to UK security sources."

D.Telegraph today.

[ichkeria]

The idea that Prigozhin has gone to Belarus to launch an attack in Kyiv from the north is possibly the daftest idea I’ve yet seen about this war: and astonishingly it’s come from people like ex-army chief Dannatt!
What’s the man smoking?

[naomi24]

Quick question, Ich. I watched the withdrawal on television and couldn't decide whether the people were cheering the rebels on in encouragement or whether they were pleased to see the back of them. What do you think?

[douglas9401]

Both, people just want to survive the madness.