Never Believe Anything Until It Has Been Officially Denied......

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-frontbencher-responds-to-sir-keir-starmers-eu-comment-backlash-12966978

So Rodders wants us back in the EUSSR - reminds me of a Beatles song!

[Canary42]

Oh no, not that tired old nomenclature EUSSR, time it was pensioned off surely. 

[William51]

 I will not vote labour next year because their policies are weak and not imaginative. You might say it is Starmer in the sky with dreamers.

[Bobbisox1]

Mr Rod Karma Chameleon , he comes and goes, he comes and go-o's

hopefully his strings will get tangled when Tony Bliar is working him

[Gromit]

Just the Conservatives fear mongering ahead of the election. They are desperate not to lose badly. They cannot change their leader again, and Sunak is policy flipping constantly.

The Conservatives said Starmer wants to rejoin the EU, which is not what he said. Labour have corrected that lie, and up pops Tora to claim that as proof that Starmer wants us to rejoin.

Not sure which is worse, the Conservatives acting so desperately, or Tora joining in with that nonsense.

[naomi24]

Gromit, they were his comments.  He knows he's put his foot in it.  Backtrack time.

[New Judge]

Come 1 January next year (thanks to Brexit) UK manufactured electric cars exported to the EU will be subject to a 10% tariff (unless some agreement otherwise is made before hand).

What's the other half?

The other half is that the EU will come to an agreement on this. Their usual strategy of allowing matters to go to the wire will prevail. These proposed tariffs, which involve “rules of origin” for component parts (which are part of the EU’s protectionist strategy)  will simply open the door to cheap Chinese vehicles being imported to the EU and the UK. Neither the EU nor the UK currently has the capacity to produce all the components of electric vehicles (particularly the batteries) and something will give. So as usual, nothing to see here.

[Gromit]

Naomi

This is what Starmer said.

// Sir Keir argued that Britain's relationship with the EU could be much stronger, while still remaining outside the bloc and outside the single market, "the more we share a future together". //

Only an idiot would read that as him saying we will rejoin. The Conservatives won the last GE by promising to get Brexit done, and want that to be an election issue again, (hence them lying about Labour rejoining), but no one is interested.

[New Judge]

^^^Which is totally the wrong thread 😀

[naomi24]

Gromit, apart from the last few words that's not what Starmer said.  It's what a reporter said.  I've read what Starmer said.  

[Gromit]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-we-dont-want-to-diverge-from-eu-says-sir-keir-starmer-12966338

[naomi24]

I know what he said, gromit.

[Togo]

Before Max Headroom was forced to deny that he said it(ex lawyer tells lies surprise) he said   ...   "the UK's relations with the EU could be stronger if both too the same path."  I am pretty sure he knows(he must by now) that the EUSSR is not going to be following our path any time soon, so he must mean that he will force us to take theirs. Sounds like the sort of thing the deceitful Bliar would fabricate in order to cover up the real, malign, intent. 

[Togo]

too = took.

[Gromit]

...while still remaining outside the bloc and outside the single market.

The Tories claiming he will rejoin us are just desperate. Speading a lie is all they can do when their own side is so abysmal.

 

[Spungle]

What a plonker Rodders is

[ToraToraTora]

gromit 21:03 you should learn what a porky is. Clue, an opinion is not a lie.

[New Judge]

Clue, an opinion is not a lie.

A point well made and something that a few people on here need to understand, Tora. Anything to do with predicting the future (especially where politics and politicians are concerned) is pure supposition. You can form an opinion of what might happen but it is not a fact and so cannot be denounced as a lie.

On the other hand there are some on here who swallow supposition as fact and announce it as such (e.g. "Brexit has cost every household £1,000" when it's done nothing of the sort).

It is my opinion that, should the Labour Party gain power at the next GE, their aim will be to keep the UK aligned as closely as possible with EU legislation and regulations. It will be difficult for them to take the UK back into the EU or even the Single Market and/or Customs Union, certainly in the short term. The UK has already struck a number of trade agreements with other countries and these would have to be ditched if we were to rejoin. But it is quite clear from their leader's mutterings that he does not want to upset his EU "colleagues" by diverging from their mantra too much. 

That isn't what Brexit is designed to do and the country will not thrive on that strategy. Being yoked to a sclerotic, protectionist, highly regulated organisation was never a good idea and it still isn't.  

[ToraToraTora]

judge the 5C have a lot of trouble with literacy etc they still struggle with some words on the side of bus FGS!

[Gromit]

Tora,

You believed all Johnson's lies which led to his dowfall. Most other people could work out that he was lying, but you couldn't.

Starmer said he did not want to rejoin the bloc or join the single market. It is not an opinion to completely state the opposite. It is a desperate lie from a party that ran out of ideas 7 years ago. And have been an utter shambles since the last GE.

[ToraToraTora]

I'm still waiting for someone to give me an example of Boris' porkies. You 5C types don't know what a lie is.