When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

[naomi24]

We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram';   the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding.   The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us.  Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists? 

[douglas9401]

'Extremists in waiting' might be apt seeing as it can take very little, in our eyes, to turn a mild-mannered shopkeeper into a boggle-eyed defender of the fairy story.

[fender62]

what makes it worse is there numbers are growing exponentially as seen the marches and thats just london, governments have let the rot set in past and present, it all about numbers, and i imagine 99% of the dinghy arrivals are of a similar mindset, you can see where this is going to go in the future, im just waiting for another atrocity to occur, lessons will be learned will hear or mental illness, there will not be enough security to watch them all.. and nothing ever changes.

[ToraToraTora]

....yep and there are millions of Trobiscite collaborators assisting them. I'm glad I am at this end of my life, I feel so sorry for the saucepans that will suffer the attrocities that are coming.

[naomi24]

I'm really trying to discern what those who talk about 'ordinary' muslims consider to be the dividing line.

[douglas9401]

When someone speaks ill of their ghost.

Alternatively they are of a particular group of believers and someone from another group tries to breathe the same air as them.

In short, anything and nothing.

[Old_Geezer]

There are different levels of extreme. Unless you wish to lump 'protesters of school policy' with 'beheaders of the unbeliever' then definitions need to be more detailed.

 

A 'proper' extremist is created after much brainwashing by a trusted yet evil member of authority.

 

Perhaps instead of asking who is the extremist perhaps we should concentrate more on how much protest, and what form of protest, a free democratic society decides is enough and draws a line.

[naomi24]

OG, are these people 'ordinary' Muslims?

[fender62]

sounds extreme already by pupils parents and other adherents to the same cult, threatening teachers bomb the school, lets hope the judgement fails in court, and if it does what will the above do then, protests across the uk or worse, nothing cam of that teacher threatened with death..rochdale abusers are still in the country, it's odd the government tolerates this..wonder what would happen if it occurred in the states..

[Old_Geezer]

Which ones ? Those objecting to the school ban or those allegedly intimidating others ?  As mentioned, there are levels. Anyone can disagree with a policy, and in this country have a right to limited protest. But no one is entitled to bully or threaten others.

Plenty of "ordinary" folk indulge in bad behaviour and need to be taken to task, but the label "extremism" should be reserved for the extremes.

[Redhelen72]

Obsession is an interesting trait.

for some they have an obsession with their religion 

for others they have an obsession with others religion

when does the 2nd person become an extremist?

[naomi24]

Those objecting to the school ban are intimidating others.  Are they ordinary Muslima?

[naomi24]

^That to OG.

[fender62]

Redhelen72, Obsession is an interesting trait.

for some they have an obsession with their religion 

for others they have an obsession with others religion

when does the 2nd person become an extremist?

easy escape clause, do nothing, reminds me when they threw that statue in the dock for blm cause, advocating mob rules or do nothing say nothing, bend to the will of islam, ie social cohesion diversity makes us strong, it does not, islamists only see it a weakness, just look at the rise of communism or hitlers nazi party, look what it's done to iran, check all the militant jihadist groups round the world, like a sickness spreading.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // I know you to be an experienced and intelligent debater, so this approach surprises me.

You are as much a student of human nature as anyone on here, and you know better than to think that a simple guidelines exists where someone crosses from being 'one thing' into being 'another thing'.

That is simply not how people are, and you know that, which is why this OP is not really going to get anywhere.

There is no 'line' where you can say without fear or favour that this or that set of behaviours mean that someone has crossed over from being 'Type A' to now being 'Type B'.

The inference is that Muslims are some how exempt from the vast complexities that govern human nature, and can be viewed as lab rats who used to run in Maze A, but now they run in Maze B.

Life - and religion - are not like that, and you know that.

 

So why you are providing a platform for people to simplify complex issues into a simple 'us' and 'them', approach, catnip to the Islam haters on here, is not at all helpful, amd somewhat beneath you.

[naomi24]

^Thank you for your opinion.  The question stands.

[Countrylover]

Excellent post OG

 

[royfromaus]

Is anyone ever going to explain why they like Islam?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // ^Thank you for your opinion. //

You're welcome.

// The question stands. //

I would expect nothing less.

[Countrylover]

Well said Andy.  I was in mind to report this OP.  I wonder how many Moslems might be ABers or have relations and friends who are 'ordinary' Moslems. This post is blatantly out of order.  Rule 6.

 

[anneasquith]

I agree Lottie, but it is will stay,.