What If The Labour Party Got Rid Of...
Politics1 min ago
nomi24
Follow the thread.
I wrote that in response to Khandro's statement:
"After 30 days of Labour, I want the Conservatives back."
It's not like a new government can be properly judged after 30 days. The state the country is in is entirely the fault of te previous government.
Same would be true if interest rates dropped by half a percent three weeks after the new government came in, they could not claim credit for it.
Same way they can't be blamed for this unrest. This is on the heads of the previous government
You get sarcasm, right?
Spungle
Re-read what I wrote. I said:
That doen't mean they're behind the rioting. I'm not suggesting that they actively encouraged it - but they are certainly lightning rods for the rioters.
...and let's be honest can call them by their correct names. They are not protesters - they're rioters.
...and looters
TTT
Me and my "my ilk" don't see the country like you and your "ilk" (I'll shorthand that too).
I grew up in a very racially diverse area of South London, so don't see the Islamification that you see because it was always there.
I suppose if you're an older person who has seen the ethnic make up of the country change rapidly over the past fifty years, it can be very upsetting.
However equally, if you went to school with, grew up with, worked and socialised amongst a diverse group of people - you're not going to see the country in the same way.
sp: "
I suppose if you're an older person who has seen the ethnic make up of the country change rapidly over the past fifty years, it can be very upsetting.
However equally, if you went to school with, grew up with, worked and socialised amongst a diverse group of people - you're not going to see the country in the same way." - fair enough, I get that, it makes sense. Hymie while trying to point out that it is not a problem highlighted the fact that it actually is the other day. He said from 2011 to 2021 the islamic population had grown by over a million so pro rata it increases by 100,000 a year. That's what I and many others are worried about. Before long they'll be able to turn us into Britainistan legally using our own system. Recently only 20% of the electorate were able to elect a huge majority. 6% are muslim currently that will grow exponentially. Are you not a little worried about that? I am assuming you are not muslim of course.
naomi24
This is off-topic but the winter fuel allowance is cobblers.
It was New Labour bung in 1997 put in because after years of Tory misrule, pensions were so low.
It was tax-free and given to all pensioners - even those who patently didn't need the extra cash.
The credit will still be given to those who need it (the poorest pensioners - those on pension credit).
I don't know why you don't know this.
I don't know why you don't know the effect it will almost certainly have on many people, SP ... but you don't. We won't mention care for the elederly, That would be a step too far.
Now, getting back to the topic, perhaps you'll explain why you've been walking around for at least the past twenty years with your eyes closed?
naomi24
I'm no youngster but I'm younger than most here - young enough that the racial make up of my area of London (South) looks pretty much the same now as it did then (although I moved up to North London many years ago).
From the 70s until the the 90s, the white population of London fell by 20% - but that's not something I would've noticed. Perhaps if I were older and lived in the same area all my life and had seen the changed say from 1960 over the next 50 years I'd have a different view.
naomi24
You wrote:
Now, getting back to the topic, perhaps you'll explain why you've been walking around for at least the past twenty years with your eyes closed?
Perhaps like a lot of people who grew up as a minority in a racially diverse area - I don't see changes in racial make up. The areas I grew up in were very racially mixed then, and they were when I left London.
When I go back to see my sister, the mix of people looks pretty much the same.
Not really "having my eyes closed" but simply not being attuned to changes in the racial make up of an area simply because I've never know the area to be a monoculture?
sp; //I wrote that in response to Khandro's statement:
"After 30 days of Labour, I want the Conservatives back."//
I didn't make that statement, I simply concurred with it.
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I think you should read that article I linked to at 11:26.
Most of the things she bemoans have occurred since Labour came to power.
Worth remembering the majority of posters on these threads are essentially Tory supporters so it is convenient to blame anything on a new Labour government.
Are you really suggesting that these events would not have happened if Labour had not been elected?
How Labour manages to deal with the economic situation in the country remains to be seen but most of you have already decided.
naomi24
I don't think I have done that - I've not told anyone they're wrong to fear change. In fact - didn't I post:
I suppose if you're an older person who has seen the ethnic make up of the country change rapidly over the past fifty years, it can be very upsetting.
Did you read that as a criticism???
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