Bush must be stopped.

[styley]

George Bush and his cronies have been talking up a war with Iran ever since they invaded Iraq and now it seems thay're gearing up to move in for the kill. Again as with Iraq, there is little to no evidence to back up their claims for this invasion. Also as with Iraq, if they go ahead with the invasion of Iran there will probably be hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed. This American administration is made up of a bunch of religiosly intolerent crusaders with a messed up power hungry money driven agenda. I don't think we as a society can sit back and watch this time as they go in and destroy another country. What can be done to stop this warmonger?

[mountainboo]

Thanks John. I had no idea. What an absolute b!"*!?d. Its a real shame there are people like that in charge of whole countries

[johnlambert]

Kim Jong-Il is often said to be stark raving bonkers, but this is a misconception. He is eccentric, certainly, and his government is extremely secretive and brutal to dissidents, but experts say Kim is bright, clear-headed, politically astute, and as sane as any leader with unchecked power. He drives trendy Mazdas, and prefers Hennessey cognac. He wears elevator shoes to hide his short stature (without the shoes, he is believed to stand about 5' 2"). His father was Kim Il Sung, the cruel Communist dictator who ruled North Korea for decades.

As a young man, Kim held wild parties, and was widely derided as the Korean Hugh Hefner. Many Koreans assumed that he would never be disciplined enough to lead his nation. But Kim studied political science at the university named for his father, rising rapidly through Communist Party ranks, and none dare call it nepotism. He was designated his father's official successor in 1974, and took power upon the elder Kim's death in 1994.

Kim has announced that North Korea has nuclear weapons, and most observers believe this to be true. He had about 80 high-ranking officials, including several relatives and his own brother-in-law, rounded up and purged in 2004. He still favors banquets that start at midnight and end at dawn. At one such event, according to his chef's memoirs, Kim ordered the dancing women to strip. They wisely did not object.

He is a big movie buff, and owns videos of at least 20,000 films. His favorites reportedly include the Rambo, Friday the 13th, and James Bond movies. Kim is a moviemaker himself, the credited producer of Pulgasari, a 1985 Godzillaesque story based on a 14th-Century Korean legend about a monster who helps peasants overthrow their dictatorial king. Kim abducted South Korean director Shin Sang-Ok and actress Choe Un-Hee, and forced them to make the movie. They escaped several years later, when Kim allowed them to attend a film festival in Vienna.
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[Reverandfunk]

Did we invade the US in the 60's when they still had slavery and were burning crosses? They are the most corrupt nation on earth, look at Clinton - blatantly lied about Monicagate, Nixon, etc etc.

What sort of country lets itself be run by a criminal organisation for 50 years?

[Shadow Man]

I am glad we are American brothers. They have their oddities and eat far too much fat, but on the whole I am glad we are with them than against them.

[whiffey]

andrea, I believe you can and should do just that - get in pre-emptively before any real trouble starts. Also, even if the Gulf Wars were really about oil - again so what ? We need oil to keep all our cars and aircraft-carriers and central heating going. I would happily support intervention on even the flimsiest of excuses to maintain this supply rather than allow a whole load of fanatical wallahs to cut it off.

Hopefully one day our energy needs will be independent of oil, then we could seal up the entire Middle East with barbed wire (excluding Israel, just about the only civilised country in the region) and let them get on with slaughtering each other.

[andrea81]

SHADOW I bet you are glad of being a friend of America- you know what they are like - trigger happy and all!

Think you hit the nail on the head - keep your enemies closer!

[johnlambert]

Andrea
I served in the Gulf in 91 and Bosnia alongside our "friends" the Americans, I have also (like I suspect your husband) taken part in military exercises in Germany with them, they are bl00dy dangerous mate,

[MrBen5]

Hmmm, there are a lot of countries on the axis of evil, they all need sorting out one at a time.
Its no good trying to pretend that if we left them alone they wont attack us. Their sole aim is to rid the world of infidels.
If we dont stand up to countries like Iran, Iraq etc, then they will just try to impel their idioligy on any neighbouring country. These rogue countries can only be dealt with by force.
If there is time after the UN have dealt with the 'axis of evil' then i am sure they will sort africa out...

[andrea81]

Well the evidence of friendly fire speak volumes! Johnlambert, I think that they need to take a bit of perspective and maybe think about strenthenning the UN's support of the Free world. At least that would be a better long term solution!

[johnlambert]

I found most of them incompetant/ uneducated oafs Andrea, nice people buy oafs and buffoons none the less

[andrea81]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to put on a ban the bomb hat and go dancing up to number 10 in the nude. But I think that we've all been a bit de-sensitised to the prospect of war and think it's the first and only answer! - War was a very serious issue years ago - now it's a popular solution!

[whiffey]

(I do laugh when everybody jumps on the let's-bash-America-because-it-will-go-down-well-on-AB bandwagon. I feel a comfy Western armchair coming on)

America is the reason we are walking around free and enjoying a debate on the internet.

[andrea81]

Well lets bomb everywhere exept the west then is it? As long as we remain free!

don't be so silly, innocent people in the middle east are shaking in their boots at the prospect of us (brists as well) trying to free the world!

[Oneeyedvic]

Just to stir things up a bit:

Wasn't the IRA sponsored by the Yanks?

Since that country sponsored terrorism, why are they are allies? After all, there have been several hundred deaths (some civilian) caused by the IRA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_a rms_importation

[Oneeyedvic]

Oh and Whiffey, maybe you should think about the amount of British people killed by the IRA before you think how great the US are - and possibly all those killed by 'friendly fire' now that the US are refusing to attend any future inquests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6967982.stm

[mountainboo]

Johnlambert, you must have seen some sights and been through alot during your time as a serviceman. I have alot of respect for you. You should be a teacher, you could offer some valuable insights, you have the first hand experience, something that alot of teachers dont have.

[kwicky]

I always thought the USA was a beacon of democracy. So how come 70% of Americans wish to withdraw from Iraq and even the politicians want an end to it he still ploughs on regardless and now threatens to bomb Iran to smithereens...no troops involved this time. It seems more like a dictatorship to me as he seems answerable to no-one.

[MrBen5]

Kwicky your quite right, 70% if not more of America do want to bring the troops out of Iraq, but there has to be a correct way of doing it.
They cant just pull out tomorrow.

[Reverandfunk]

Well said Vic

[kwicky]

When in a hole, stop digging! Bush's hole is now past the mantle and heading for the inner core.