Why are successive governments ruining this country with their immigration policies?

[mariner2]

With remembrance Sunday approaching I wonder if the men that fought the last war feel as if they shouldn't have bothered in the light of the country being given away to virtually anybody that wants to walk in.
Just what is the thinking behind this outrage?
Why are parts of the country and certain whole towns overrun with people that are SO FAR removed from the culture of this country?
Just what exactly are the benefits of immigration?
Of course you can't say this without being called a racist, but It's not racist, it's culturist and I'm not apologising for that.
It has now gone so far that it is irreversible but it seems as if the powers that be just want to make sure.
We might as well have lost the war, we couldn't have been in a worse state than we are now.

[jake-the-peg]

The benefits of immigration are the continued economic prosperity of the country.

Despite all the rubbish printed in rags about dole-immigrants the percentage of immigrants that are economically active is only about 2-3% lower than natives.

Given the aging native population, without immigration we'll soon have a country where most of the country is retired.

Who's going to keep the country running then?

Otherwise the country will become one large impoverished retirement home

[mariner2]

That's all is it?
No matter that while we are enjoying the "continued economic prosperity of the country" our culture will disappear?
Give it a few more years and we will all have to profess love some stupid religion and it will be against the law to own a dog.

[jake-the-peg]

Continued economic prosperity is generally thought to be pretty important yes.

Cultures change, they always have - I dare say 200 years ago people called it political correctness gone mad when they were prevented from walking around town with a sword at their waist.

I think those who fought the war would grab our culture with both hands.

We're wealthier, healthier and have more opportunities in life than they could have dreamed of in 1939.

[Gromit]

It's PC gone mad. This counrty's gone to the Dogs. I'm going to emigrate.

[sp1814]

mariner2

You're so right.

Everything that's wrong with this country is directly the fault of the immigrants.

It makes my blood boil.

I myself am a member of the BNP and only the other week I was peeing through the letter box of an Asian newsagent where I live in Dagenham.

I wasn't even finished when the owner (did I mention he was Asian), came out and remonstrated with me!!!

Who did he think he was! My family have been here for hundreds of years, and he comes here with his family thinking that he can make a better life for himself, sending his kids to school and stuff, and that's apparently 'okay'!!!

It's the fault of the PC brigade.

Umm...oh, and the mosques...don't get be started....


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[sp1814]

mariner2

Seriously - to answer your point...you're talking cobblers.

You're quite entitled to talk rubbish, and no-one is going to have a go at you for that...It's great that we live in a country where people can trot out the ill-informed nonsense which is a product of a poor education (both formal and social).

But you are absolutely talking out of the thing that the rest of us normally sit on.

I have to get a toasted tea cake from our staff restaurant, but later, I'll answer your ridiculous points one by one in the vain hope that I will impart some wisdom to you.

It will be difficult.

Roughly as difficult as Frodo's quest with that ring...but by God, I'll give it a go.

[mariner2]

Very funny, but to return to an intelligent discussion, I think there would be a split decision and an interesting debate about whether people in 1939 think this is a better country now than it was then, more opportunities there may be, but money isn't everything and we are physically healthier, but not mentally.

[Sweep2k]

I love the way that the Little Englanders try to align themselves with those who fought in the war.

I'm not suggesting (and nor should you) that they all held the same views, but I'd be prepared to bet that the majority of them were fighting against fascism and for freedom and tolerance. Because the enemy, remember, was Adolf Hitler, a man who hated ethnic diversity so much that he set about exterminating Jewish people.

So, if my granddad was fighting <against</> Hitler, and against the most famous opponent of ethnic diversity that has ever lived, why would he now turn round and complain that Britain is ethnically diverse?

It makes absolutely no sense. Why risk your life fighting for freedom and tolerance and then oppose it when you've gone to all that trouble?

[mariner2]

sp1814, I suppose it all comes down to whether you are OK with being increasingly surrounded by a totally alien culture in your own country or not., and I'm not.
I don't see what's wrong with this - I don't want to see repressed women in burkhas that slavishly follow some nut religion in this country and I would suggest that this is not a minority view.

[Sweep2k]

mariner, I don't want to see men covered in bells hitting sticks in time with an accordian but I put up with Morris Dancing.

[jake-the-peg]

It's not just monetary opportunities - pre-war much of the country was still pretty much tied into a rather rigid class system.

My father left school at 14 my mother at 15 whereas I had the opportunity to study for a degree.

That wasn't because I was smarter you know!

How many people got the chance to travel abroad then compared to now? how many days holiday a year did you get?

Back to back tenements, smogs -12,000 died in the great Smog and that was 1952!

I really can't see many people wanting to go back to that.

[mariner2]

Not a great argument - it's been a part of this country's culture for hundreds of years, it's quite difficult to find and very easy to avoid, and it is on the wane, whereas none of these apply to the problem I am referring to.

[mariner2]

Sorry - My last post was in answer to the Morris dancing one

[Sweep2k]

So you ignored the post about why our brave soldiers fought in the war, but you bothered to respond to the morris dancing one.

Why is that I wonder?

[China Doll]

I have tried to write a response to this three times.

Each time feels like de ja vu with a wee bit of head banging and I'm already not feeling great so I think all I will say is that you asked some questions regarding the benefit of immigration but by the tone of your question it sounds as though your mind is already made up. Hence anything I say in defence will be a waste of both our times right? I may as well just go and start another thread about trumping for all the good it will do.

However the image of Splat peeing through someones door will delight me for hours to come.

[mariner2]

Jake, what you say is true, but it would still be a close one

[mariner2]

Sweep - I don't think they were fighting so much for the high ideals you suggest but more to prevent an invasion of this country by foreigners and I was suggesting that maybe some of them are wondering why they bothered.
And why is it that you get called a little englander if you merely dare to question the wisdom of immigration?
What do I call you in this case?

[mariner2]

China doll - what was the point of your post?
Yes of course I am anti-immigration, and I am trying to find a reason why it is happening on such a massive scale, but no one has come up with one yet.

[Sweep2k]

Yes, I'm sure the fact that he was a totalitarian dictator didn't come into it.

"The Hitler character wants to stop invading other countries. He's got a point about all those Jews though..."

[cambus]

Head still banging is it?
You're dealing with a closed mind on the subject.
Can't be bothered responding.