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Was it wrong for him to be sacked?
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A top US public radio network has sacked a senior news analyst after he made disparaging remarks about Muslims on television.
This is what he said:
/// "But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous." ///
Was what he said disparaging or even racist.
What if he said "When I board a plane in England and it is full of football supporters, I get worried, I get nervous"
A top US public radio network has sacked a senior news analyst after he made disparaging remarks about Muslims on television.
This is what he said:
/// "But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous." ///
Was what he said disparaging or even racist.
What if he said "When I board a plane in England and it is full of football supporters, I get worried, I get nervous"
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Why would he be worried about football supporters?
You'd have to be an idiot to fear football supporters.
A tiny minority of football supporters are hooligans who start trouble at a drop of a hat - but you wouldn't tarnish ALL football supporters with the same brush. Same with extremist fanatical Muslims and regular followers of Islam.
The statement is especially dumb because an extremist who is planning to blow up a plane is hardly likely to advertise the fact, is he?
You'd have to be an idiot to fear football supporters.
A tiny minority of football supporters are hooligans who start trouble at a drop of a hat - but you wouldn't tarnish ALL football supporters with the same brush. Same with extremist fanatical Muslims and regular followers of Islam.
The statement is especially dumb because an extremist who is planning to blow up a plane is hardly likely to advertise the fact, is he?
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what he said is probably what a lot of people are thinking, i know i am wary if i get on a train, plane or bus and there are men or women in "muslim garb" particularly if they are carrying backpacks or large bags!
However is it right to be sharing those views on TV, i dont think it is and so maybe they were right to sack him although maybe a apology on air may have been more appropriate
However is it right to be sharing those views on TV, i dont think it is and so maybe they were right to sack him although maybe a apology on air may have been more appropriate
sp1814
I know I may have been generalising when I made the analogy regarding football supporters. But you said one would have to be an idiot to fear football supporters.
Since you yourself are one for stereotyping people ie all Far-Right supporters are 'skin head' hooligans etc etc.
Now let me put you in an hypothetical situation, you as a black person are about to board a bus, which is packed with white, football supporters who are obviously a little boisterous due to being somewhat inebriated.
I would think it would be you that was the idiot, by not showing a certain amount of fear on boarding the bus.
I know I may have been generalising when I made the analogy regarding football supporters. But you said one would have to be an idiot to fear football supporters.
Since you yourself are one for stereotyping people ie all Far-Right supporters are 'skin head' hooligans etc etc.
Now let me put you in an hypothetical situation, you as a black person are about to board a bus, which is packed with white, football supporters who are obviously a little boisterous due to being somewhat inebriated.
I would think it would be you that was the idiot, by not showing a certain amount of fear on boarding the bus.
danchip
You have admitted yourself that you are wary in similar situations, and why not? Every person has their own personal fears phobias etc, so why was he wrong to air his own fears on TV.
I do not think he has anything to apologise for, least of all being sacked from his job, for just speaking his mind.
You have admitted yourself that you are wary in similar situations, and why not? Every person has their own personal fears phobias etc, so why was he wrong to air his own fears on TV.
I do not think he has anything to apologise for, least of all being sacked from his job, for just speaking his mind.
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if he was airing his views to people in his office or in private then that is fine but to do it on tv when millions of muslims may be watching is bringing the company into disrepute and many people will think that they share the individuals views, they had no chose other than to distance themselves from these views and they did this by sacking him!
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So it would be all right to say on TV, that all right-wing persons are Nazis, bigots, racist etc. for daring to follow the politics of that side of the political spectrum.
And would it also be all right to say that he would not sail off the coast of Somali in case he is kidnapped by Somali pirates?
But to just say that he feels anxious to board a plane that has some Muslims on board, is all wrong.
He is not saying that all Muslims are bombers, only that some have been known to be in the past, hence his trepidation.
No I think the whole problem here is the fact that one should not criticise Muslims or Blacks in anyway whatsoever.
Unlike for any other sections of the community, to criticise these two groups in particular, is for some reason a complete 'no-go'.
And would it also be all right to say that he would not sail off the coast of Somali in case he is kidnapped by Somali pirates?
But to just say that he feels anxious to board a plane that has some Muslims on board, is all wrong.
He is not saying that all Muslims are bombers, only that some have been known to be in the past, hence his trepidation.
No I think the whole problem here is the fact that one should not criticise Muslims or Blacks in anyway whatsoever.
Unlike for any other sections of the community, to criticise these two groups in particular, is for some reason a complete 'no-go'.
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Can't see anything wrong with his expressing these feelings and his opinion.His bosses have overreacted. In the same programme he vehemently objected to the claim that all Moslems were jihadists at heart i.e. they, by virtue of being of the faith, were responsible for 9/11 , so his statements were not all anti-Moslem, anyway. It's hard to see that his opinions, given on another channel, reflect so badly on his employers' channel that he is in serious breach of his contract of employment
You asked "as a black person are about to board a bus, which is packed with white, football supporters who are obviously a little boisterous due to being somewhat inebriated."
Happens all the time. I live very near Arsenal. I constantly travel through the area on a Saturday after a match, but I wouldn't stereotype white drunk footie supporters as a threat.
That's racist.
However, if I were on a bus and a gang of BNP supporters got on, and started mouthing off, I would DEFINITELY assume something would kick off.
It's appalling to suggest that just because someone's white and a football supporter, they should be automatically associated with racists.
Happens all the time. I live very near Arsenal. I constantly travel through the area on a Saturday after a match, but I wouldn't stereotype white drunk footie supporters as a threat.
That's racist.
However, if I were on a bus and a gang of BNP supporters got on, and started mouthing off, I would DEFINITELY assume something would kick off.
It's appalling to suggest that just because someone's white and a football supporter, they should be automatically associated with racists.
sp1814
/// I wouldn't stereotype white drunk footie supporters as a threat.///
Yet in the past you have not been at all slow in stereotyping whites as paedophiles.
/// it's appalling to suggest that just because someone's white and a football supporter, they should be automatically associated with racists.///
I was not associating them as racists, I was just trying to place you as a black person in a situation where you were the minority, and assuming your fears.
Just as I would for a white person to walk at dark, alone in a black quarter of London say, maybe they would be perfectly safe, but I would not gamble on it, would you?
/// I wouldn't stereotype white drunk footie supporters as a threat.///
Yet in the past you have not been at all slow in stereotyping whites as paedophiles.
/// it's appalling to suggest that just because someone's white and a football supporter, they should be automatically associated with racists.///
I was not associating them as racists, I was just trying to place you as a black person in a situation where you were the minority, and assuming your fears.
Just as I would for a white person to walk at dark, alone in a black quarter of London say, maybe they would be perfectly safe, but I would not gamble on it, would you?
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You forgot to mention that Juan Williams, the NPR news analyst is black.
The problem really arises, not in the fact that he gave an opinion shared by some 75% of U.S. citizens, but that National Public Radio is funded in lage part by U.S. government funds. NPR has shown, over a priod of years, to be fairly one dimensional in its political outlook, that being left wing liberal.
The major question now is what should happen to NPR's funding since Mr. Williams has been with them for 10 years and has had an excellent reputaiton for being fair and blanced.
Not being a particularly avid conspiracy theorist, I do find it perplexing that Mr. George Soros, through one of his myriad "foundations" just recently donated nearly $2 million dollars to NPR for "investigative reporters". You see, Mr. William opinion on Muslims was given on a Fox News channel program where he (as another poster has already mentioned) gave a strong defense against unreaonable bigotry against Muslims as a whole and which has done numerous expose's on Mr. Soro nefarious manipulations.
So, the "Get Fox" agenda appears to be the underlying intentions propagating Mr. William plight and originating from NPR...
The problem really arises, not in the fact that he gave an opinion shared by some 75% of U.S. citizens, but that National Public Radio is funded in lage part by U.S. government funds. NPR has shown, over a priod of years, to be fairly one dimensional in its political outlook, that being left wing liberal.
The major question now is what should happen to NPR's funding since Mr. Williams has been with them for 10 years and has had an excellent reputaiton for being fair and blanced.
Not being a particularly avid conspiracy theorist, I do find it perplexing that Mr. George Soros, through one of his myriad "foundations" just recently donated nearly $2 million dollars to NPR for "investigative reporters". You see, Mr. William opinion on Muslims was given on a Fox News channel program where he (as another poster has already mentioned) gave a strong defense against unreaonable bigotry against Muslims as a whole and which has done numerous expose's on Mr. Soro nefarious manipulations.
So, the "Get Fox" agenda appears to be the underlying intentions propagating Mr. William plight and originating from NPR...
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