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Covid Mortality Figures A Farce.
If you are run over by a bus today and die and you tested positive for Covid 19 back in February then your death is reported as Covid related death by PHE. If this is true then it makes a mockery of almost anything our so called 'experts' are shovelling down our throats. It seems like spreading alarm and despondency for some sinister purpose.
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Are there covid carriers who get killed by buses? Only small percentage of the population have had covid so only a small percentage of those killed by buses/car accidents/suicide for example will have covid. Can't see it changing the total by much, but it does show why excess deaths is the better measure in the longer run- and that is what the scientists have said all along
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and remember , the figures for covid death only count those who had been tested positive for Covid. There will be people run over by buses who had covid but hadn't been tested.
Anyway whether the figure is 45000 (tested, with Covid) or 40000 (of Covid) or 65000 (excess deaths) doesn't change the fact that the numbers are huge and would have been higher without social distancing, isolation, Nightingale hospitals, lockdowns, etc
Anyway whether the figure is 45000 (tested, with Covid) or 40000 (of Covid) or 65000 (excess deaths) doesn't change the fact that the numbers are huge and would have been higher without social distancing, isolation, Nightingale hospitals, lockdowns, etc
If anything the covid figures understate the impact though retrocop- just look at the excess mortality data. And if Covid expedites the death of a cancer sufferer or motor neurone disease (say brings it forwards by 12 months) are you saying that we shouldn't count those deaths? By your argument the figure should be nil really because we'll all die of something eventually
steved- the figures on excess mortality are published by ONS regularly but there is a time lag- I'm not sure we have figures for June yet. If I get time I'll look. Last time I saw the fires it was something like 60000 more deaths in first 5 months- around 50% higher than the Covid reported deaths figures. Someone may have the true data
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// Forget buses. You die of pancreatic cancer or senile dementia,motor neurone disease and have tested positive months ago you still end up as a covid statistic.//
a cop dont know narfin about death certification - and how many years were you in the force? best ask a doctor-SQAAAAD!
does one cause of death preclude another ? nope is the short answer (*)
but to continue - as I have lymphoma ( quietly ) and I get covid and die - - do I die from covid or lymphoma ( short answer bofe)
and yippee boys if it is covid then my consultant onco can claim a cure for his dept!
my choice is mode of death is covid and
contirbuting cause is lymphoma
not rocket science and didnt I say a fe months ago that research using death certs was riven with problems
wind down your outrage ABers and get on with the rest of your lives
a cop dont know narfin about death certification - and how many years were you in the force? best ask a doctor-SQAAAAD!
does one cause of death preclude another ? nope is the short answer (*)
but to continue - as I have lymphoma ( quietly ) and I get covid and die - - do I die from covid or lymphoma ( short answer bofe)
and yippee boys if it is covid then my consultant onco can claim a cure for his dept!
my choice is mode of death is covid and
contirbuting cause is lymphoma
not rocket science and didnt I say a fe months ago that research using death certs was riven with problems
wind down your outrage ABers and get on with the rest of your lives
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FF we have been going around in circles for the last few months
One stat school was running very strongly with the idea that no one is dying from covid they are just dying sooner from their underlying disease. NJ was keen keen keen on this idea
disproven by the excess mortality curve
BUT as J M Keynes said - we are all dead in the long run
and so it depends on when your future cut off is
they wd have died in three month anyway or six months anyway
there is nothing like being wrong
sweden was high on the whiners' agenda because NOTHING had happened when they didnt close the schools. The swedes now are investigating why they bucked obviously good advice and let the disease run rampant
ho hum - life goes on for a lot of us
One stat school was running very strongly with the idea that no one is dying from covid they are just dying sooner from their underlying disease. NJ was keen keen keen on this idea
disproven by the excess mortality curve
BUT as J M Keynes said - we are all dead in the long run
and so it depends on when your future cut off is
they wd have died in three month anyway or six months anyway
there is nothing like being wrong
sweden was high on the whiners' agenda because NOTHING had happened when they didnt close the schools. The swedes now are investigating why they bucked obviously good advice and let the disease run rampant
ho hum - life goes on for a lot of us
Hancock just gearing up for the enquiry ( that they won't call for an urgent review) and to find has many excuses for the death rate being off the scale. Considering that Boris has all ready stated that this is not the time for (any) such enquiries, Hancock is breaking his neck to get this one going. I bet he will work day and night on this one.
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