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Covid Mortality Figures A Farce.
If you are run over by a bus today and die and you tested positive for Covid 19 back in February then your death is reported as Covid related death by PHE. If this is true then it makes a mockery of almost anything our so called 'experts' are shovelling down our throats. It seems like spreading alarm and despondency for some sinister purpose.
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// Dear goodness the conspiracy theory stuff on all sides is tiresome//
yeah poor muh-heem got zapped a few days ago for just saying an eentsy weentsy bit that covid was an escaped virus from wuhan death laboratory
the brits dont do conspiracy well thank God = alot of the flat-earthers and anti vaxxers posts on AB are unintentionally hilarious which I am certain is not the idea
yeah poor muh-heem got zapped a few days ago for just saying an eentsy weentsy bit that covid was an escaped virus from wuhan death laboratory
the brits dont do conspiracy well thank God = alot of the flat-earthers and anti vaxxers posts on AB are unintentionally hilarious which I am certain is not the idea
I think the numbers have been misreported from the start. At one point (don’t know if it’s still the case or if they are even still in the final numbers) as you say retrocop everyone died of Covid even if they had a heart attack.
The death rate if taken properly is apparently quite low % wise.We just include everyone who shouldn’t be on the list.
The death rate if taken properly is apparently quite low % wise.We just include everyone who shouldn’t be on the list.
I've rather given up believing in any official stats.. I did try, but then we got all the info. about statistics etc.. It seems that the old saying is true after all - 'There are lies, damn lies and statistics'. It's true in that everything is contradictory and things are counted differently depending on who you read. I said that trusting scientists was a bad idea.... OK, I'll get my coat.
// It is better to trust people who don't try to make sense of the world, or to trust those who never even question their own work.// jimbo
dis sardonic innit? .. wdnt it be wonderful if people collected data without a context or point to make? - cos it wd be unbiassed and fairer
um yeah in theory and no deffo in the real world
Flamsteed (*) the astronomer royal fired his gopher because he noticed that the final figure of the gophers column of data had more 7s and so he MUST have been making them up!
it was in fact final digit preference to be described 200 y later as the year was 1692
the Abbe Mendel (*) was holy and printed in the Brno Scientific Journal showing he really had not reason to make up his results. The were too perfect. the 1:4;4;1 results were too near 100:400;400:100 rather than a more likely 75: 450:350:96.
It is thought the gardener whom he employed even tho he was a confirmed frunkard, had noticed the trend, make up the day's data and settled down to the important activity of the day.
the fella (*) [yeah who he den - geddit???] who did the charge mass ratio of the electron - excluded the results (which he did at midnight because the electric field from the trams altered his results ) which showed it wasnt quantal - and the remaining results showed it was quantal - - - eek that isnt an example to unbiassed data collection
and so we find that if there is data to be collected, and "it doesnt matter" = = = like where you put covid so long as it is there somewhere - the data will be less accurate and not more
no conspiracy but the usual careful british civil servant - thinking mainly of his next tea break
(*) who he den ? - the last one is J J Thomson apparently
dis sardonic innit? .. wdnt it be wonderful if people collected data without a context or point to make? - cos it wd be unbiassed and fairer
um yeah in theory and no deffo in the real world
Flamsteed (*) the astronomer royal fired his gopher because he noticed that the final figure of the gophers column of data had more 7s and so he MUST have been making them up!
it was in fact final digit preference to be described 200 y later as the year was 1692
the Abbe Mendel (*) was holy and printed in the Brno Scientific Journal showing he really had not reason to make up his results. The were too perfect. the 1:4;4;1 results were too near 100:400;400:100 rather than a more likely 75: 450:350:96.
It is thought the gardener whom he employed even tho he was a confirmed frunkard, had noticed the trend, make up the day's data and settled down to the important activity of the day.
the fella (*) [yeah who he den - geddit???] who did the charge mass ratio of the electron - excluded the results (which he did at midnight because the electric field from the trams altered his results ) which showed it wasnt quantal - and the remaining results showed it was quantal - - - eek that isnt an example to unbiassed data collection
and so we find that if there is data to be collected, and "it doesnt matter" = = = like where you put covid so long as it is there somewhere - the data will be less accurate and not more
no conspiracy but the usual careful british civil servant - thinking mainly of his next tea break
(*) who he den ? - the last one is J J Thomson apparently
oh I was gonna say
( warning difficult point coming up ....)
the PHE have 'shockingly' and 'wrongly' putting covid on anyone who DDDDIIIIIEEEESSS !
but this is STILL less than FF's ( and others') excess death estimates
ergo I invite you to conclude - the PHE so called over-estimate er isnt and is still an underestimate....
and why havent the journos, hacks and stringers caught on?
none of them along wivda ministry have maff o level.
( warning difficult point coming up ....)
the PHE have 'shockingly' and 'wrongly' putting covid on anyone who DDDDIIIIIEEEESSS !
but this is STILL less than FF's ( and others') excess death estimates
ergo I invite you to conclude - the PHE so called over-estimate er isnt and is still an underestimate....
and why havent the journos, hacks and stringers caught on?
none of them along wivda ministry have maff o level.
//Dr Yoon Loke, a pharmacologist at the University of East Anglia, first raised the alarm that the death toll may be ‘over-exaggerated’ in a blog post on Thursday evening. He wrote: ‘It seems that PHE regularly looks for people on the NHS database who have ever tested positive, and simply checks to see if they are still alive or not. ‘PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the COVID test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community. ‘Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.//
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is there really a researcher called 'An Uvva Loke'?
and his wife - "an uvva go"
the PHE have inflated their figures and they are still UNDER the estimate from the excess mortality figures
whic means even the inflated PHE figures are an underestimate
Nice to see no one understands simple maff. and may explain why PHE is adding figure on figure ( so that they are 'out' but not by much
and his wife - "an uvva go"
the PHE have inflated their figures and they are still UNDER the estimate from the excess mortality figures
whic means even the inflated PHE figures are an underestimate
Nice to see no one understands simple maff. and may explain why PHE is adding figure on figure ( so that they are 'out' but not by much
I agree there is an issue of over recording which goes some way to offset the bigger underrecording.
It'd certainly be odd if everyone who had Covid in Jan-July 2020 were recorded as a Covid deaths when they ultimately die , even if in 30 years from now, but by next year hopefully from 2021 ongoing Covid deaths data won't be a regular talking point so it won't matter.
But as I said earlier, the anomaly does highlight the dangers of comparing Covid deaths data between countries. We aren't consistent with how Scotland records; we know Spain no longer count some Covid deaths where there is a delay in reporting; some countries have very different definitions or only count certain settings; some countries such as Turkmenistan and some African countries seem to have no proper systems for counting; and some countries just lie.
We may have to wait a year or so for excess deaths data to show a clearer picture.
And all those other statistics KARL and some others quote here about fatality ratios are even more flawed and almost meaningless as a way of comparing countries.
It'd certainly be odd if everyone who had Covid in Jan-July 2020 were recorded as a Covid deaths when they ultimately die , even if in 30 years from now, but by next year hopefully from 2021 ongoing Covid deaths data won't be a regular talking point so it won't matter.
But as I said earlier, the anomaly does highlight the dangers of comparing Covid deaths data between countries. We aren't consistent with how Scotland records; we know Spain no longer count some Covid deaths where there is a delay in reporting; some countries have very different definitions or only count certain settings; some countries such as Turkmenistan and some African countries seem to have no proper systems for counting; and some countries just lie.
We may have to wait a year or so for excess deaths data to show a clearer picture.
And all those other statistics KARL and some others quote here about fatality ratios are even more flawed and almost meaningless as a way of comparing countries.
Actually we probably don't under-record them despite this anomaly you highlighted. We don't count deaths where there was no Covid test even if the doctor puts Covid on the death certificate. This was more of an issue in March/April/May probably.
Of course other countries may well be under-recording. Some may over record.
There should ideally be a standard recording system, otherwise comparisons can be almost meaningless
Of course other countries may well be under-recording. Some may over record.
There should ideally be a standard recording system, otherwise comparisons can be almost meaningless
As some have pointed out previously....about all the "science" based data manipulated in Britain and England in particular......It stinks.
“No one with Covid in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness,” Carl Heneghan, from Oxford University, and Yoon Loke, from East Anglia University, wrote. “A patient who has tested positive but been successfully treated and discharged from hospital will still be counted as a Covid death even if they had a heart attack, or are run over by a bus three months later.”
//Susan Hopkins of Imperial College London, who sits on a PHE board, said: “Although it may seem straightforward, there is no WHO agreed method of counting the deaths from Covid-19. In England we count all those that have died who had a positive Covid-19 test at any point, to ensure our data is as complete as possible.//
Can we choose our own causes of death perhaps, instead of letting a single issue zealot choose it for us. I would like to die laughing......at the woke and the flakey.
“No one with Covid in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness,” Carl Heneghan, from Oxford University, and Yoon Loke, from East Anglia University, wrote. “A patient who has tested positive but been successfully treated and discharged from hospital will still be counted as a Covid death even if they had a heart attack, or are run over by a bus three months later.”
//Susan Hopkins of Imperial College London, who sits on a PHE board, said: “Although it may seem straightforward, there is no WHO agreed method of counting the deaths from Covid-19. In England we count all those that have died who had a positive Covid-19 test at any point, to ensure our data is as complete as possible.//
Can we choose our own causes of death perhaps, instead of letting a single issue zealot choose it for us. I would like to die laughing......at the woke and the flakey.
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