Alzheimers..........

[naomi24]

....surely the saddest and cruellest of afflictions, and often suffered by the gentlest and kindest people. How does religion justify that?

[naomi24]

Sith, I don't say that because you go against something I don't approve of, but because you refuse to believe indisputable facts that contradict the long outdated information contained within the Koran. If my assessment is wrong, as you say it is, how do you explain that?

[jomifl]

Sith, many of the decisions we make are made at a subconcious and /or emotional level(in the brain) or are planted there by others before our powers of thought are fully developed. Some people use their concious brain to justify those subconcious decisions, others use their concious brain to question those decisions. Now you know this, you can decide which to be, a slave or a free person.

[sith123]

i am a muslim, simple as.

[jomifl]

Well Sith, you said it....

[naomi24]

I rest my case.

[RATTER15]

"i am a muslim, simple as." exactly, meaning you believe even though it has been proved to be utter nonsense over and over, that's religion for you!

[sith123]

yes, but i believe atheism is utter nonsense, so its all down to personal choice ratter. get that straight.

[jomifl]

Sith,,you may believe that atheism is nonsense..but you cannot prove it because to do that you would have to use logic which is the basis of atheism.

[naomi24]

Sith, //i believe atheism is utter nonsense.... get that straight.//

Without explaining your reasons for making that statement, it means absolutely nothing. However, I won't push you on the matter. You can rest assured we've definitely got it straight.

[RATTER15]

Sith, >>but i believe atheism is utter nonsense,<< I will push you on this one just a bit, im sorry Sith its just that statement is so funny.

Let me explain to you what Atheism mean in simple terms :)
Atheism means "not believing in a God"

there are thousands of supposed Gods worshipped in this world everyday. How many of those Gods to you believe in Sith?

So I imagine that you only believe in just one God and that none of the other Gods exist.

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

Stephen Roberts

[jomifl]

Ratter, the Stephen Roberts quote should be posted in this section every day until it sinks into the brains of the spiritually confused.

[RATTER15]

Jom, it will never sink in with certain folk on here!

[sith123]

ok, but i still believe in islam, so there is now point trying to convert or change me over a website.

[RATTER15]

Sith, yes you got it, spot on, we have all come on this site to try and convert you to Atheism. Well done you caught us all out.

I think all the Atheists will now leave and try and find another site to spread our good word.

lol lol lol lol lol :)

[naomi24]

Sith, you chose to come here and talk about your religion so you have nothing to complain about. If you expected everyone to agree with you by denying reality and abandoning rationality, as you have, you were mistaken.

[jomifl]

Sith, I have no problem with you being a muslim after all you are free to choose any religion you wish to belong too. why a religion though? why deliberately shackle yourself to a set of beliefs that have just been made up?

[sith123]

put it this way, i believe in god, but forget that for a minute, islam isnt just about god, its a way of life, guidelines, a set of rules etc. since following them i have become a better person that i was before.

[jomifl]

^How do you know that? apart from being told that by your imam, who is completely disinterested of course.

[naomi24]

Sith, can you not follow those same guidelines without adhering to the rest - like the denial of proven fact? And just out of interest, where does the role of women and the rules relating to them figure in your beliefs?

[sith123]

jomifl, thats a stupid question, i know because i was that person and i have done bad things, now i am good and peaceful and probably would not have been if i had kept going the way i was.