No Jihadist Islamo Fascists In N. Ireland?

[Theland]

Ever thought what would happen if the Muslims decided to call for Jihad on the streets of Belfast?
I do.
They wouldn't dare do it a second time.

[Theland]

I dread to think of the backlash from an alliance of UDA, U.V.F, and I.R.A, as well as EDL, if the Muslims push too far.
I think that if the politicians don't act soon, others will, and there will be no stopping them.

[chrisgel]

I truly hope you are right.

[Brenden]

Could do with that approach in London Theland, but to-day the Islamic Human Rights Commission based in Wembley called for more protection for their people - I kid thee not.

[LazyGun]

Is it just the pushy muslims likely to be targeted Theland, by this unholy alliance of UVF and IRA ( I think the moon might shine blue before those 2 find common cause mind you ), and the EDL, or is it all Muslims?

[Theland]

I have no inside story, apart from a well appointed Orangeman, who said they watch carefully in Belfast, and don't allow Muslims to form communities.

[Theland]

This is third or fourth hand info.

[Theland]

I think the anti fascist groups should be protesting against the JIFs rather than the EDL, who ARE. Protesting against fascism, Islamo Fascism.

[LazyGun]

@Theland OK, so the idea of an alliance is just sort of hearsay - speculation - which is fair enough.

I am still somewhat curious though - who would be the targets? All Muslims? Or just the "JIFs"?

And what do you think is meant by that phrase that you use - that "muslims are prevented from forming communities"? You see this as a positive thing?

I would agree with you that militant Islamism needs to be stood up, countered, rebutted and resisted. I think more effort needs to be done to combat radicalism, both within and without the muslim community. But demonising all muslims over the actions of their extremists is not a development to be welcomed, for ideological and purely pragmatic reasons.

[Theland]

Once the irrational violence begins, all Muslims would probably be targets. Wrong wrong wrong but to be expected when things get out of control.

[LazyGun]

So the tone of your last post sort of suggests that you anticipate that the "JIFs " would be the target of pre-emptive or revenge attacks.

Next question then - how does one distinguish between a JIF and an inoffensive muslim?

I am glad to see that you think that violence against the wider muslim community would be very wrong, but unlike you I do not think it is to be expected. Nor should we - that kind of legitimises such violent counter-reaction, don't you think?

And this is to the heart of why people protest EDL. Theirs seems a voice full of inchoate anger, poorly expressed. It is hard not to see them as anything other than a grouping of football hooligans and BNP - those who would welcome violent and direct action.

It is perfectly acceptable to stand up against militant fascism AND the EDL. This is not a binary question, an "either-or" issue. It is a question of rationality standing up against the irrationality of radical islam just as much as the expressions of violent resistance that is represented by the EDL....

[FredPuli43]

Northern Ireland has a fine tradition of murdering people simply because they are of,or associate with others of, the wrong branch of Christianity so killing any Muslim should come easily

[Theland]

Terrorist violence, and "anti terrorist " violence is just bloody anarchy, and the innocents suffer as usual. I have an opinion but do not condone ANY violence. I anticipate that eventually it WILL happen unless the politicians stop kow towing to the JIFs.

[LazyGun]

So more to the point then, Theland - which politicians, and exactly how are they "kowtowing to the JIFs"? What, precisely, do you want the politicians to do?

[Theland]

Read "Londonistan" by Melanie Philips.

[LazyGun]

In order to understand specifically exactly what it is you wish some undefined politicians to do, I have to read a book by Mad Mel, that polemicist and supposed journalist?

That hardly seems fair does it? Your point can only be understood by reading a book?

Which politicians are kowtowing, Theland? What policies do you wish them to ponder? What legislation would you have them enact? You feel strongly enough to post on the topic - you surely must be able to articulate your points without requiring your audience to read the ranty Melanie Phillips?

[FredPuli43]

Melanie Philips eh? Well there's a sane balanced view, for certain, with perfectly genuine research , study, and argument worthy of Macaulay, Trevelyan , C V Wedgwood or Margaret Mead . No Daily Mail message there then !

And what do you want our politicians to do? Have high police and ' secret service' tracing, surveillance and monitoring? Jail offenders for 30 years or more ? What?

[naomi24]

Theland, a bit of light on the horizon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22759097

[sandyRoe]

"They don't allow Muslims to form communities" A bucket of paint was thrown over the Islamic Community centre just the other day. Is that what the Orangeman meant?

[Khandro]

With its history of intolerance, violence and bigotry, I don't think Northern Ireland could be seen as any sort of role model, and the seamless link made between Muslims and jihadists in the OP is both provocative and divisive.

[naomi24]

Khandro,// the seamless link made between Muslims and jihadists in the OP is both provocative and divisive.//

Actually, I think Theland clarified that in his post at 21:09 Fri 07th Jun 2013.