God's Right To Kill ?

[modeller]

I was talking to a group of theists and I asked them how they could justify the killing of thousands of innocent new born babies in Sodom and Gommorrah.

Their answer was God's laws are never to be broken. Their parents had sinned and the punishment was meted out to them and their descendants.

God gives us life and therefore has the right to take it away as he wishes. His justice is not to be compared with our sense of justice.

They quoted how he commanded the man who picked up sticks on God's sabbath to be stoned to death. It was an appropriate sentence because the man was deliberately defying God and there is no greater crime.

What say you ?

[seadogg]

What's a "theist"? They come in all flavours and no two kinds agree.

[modeller]

Well in this group two were vicars , one Cof E and one baptist . T

[modeller]

The others were members of their churches. W

[ll_billym]

"...because the man was deliberately defying God and there is no greater crime."

I'd say that whoever killed the man just didn't like him for one reason, or maybe the man wasn't very powerful so killing him wouldn't have any consequences.

Whatever the reason it was another man that ordered the stoning, not God.

[ll_billym]

*some reason

[modeller]

How would you describe them other than theists ? We had listened to one
member who explained how he became a believer after being an agnostic and for him God is LOVE.

[seadogg]

but Jesus said that whoever was without sin should throw the first stone, which makes sense to me. We should all be safe picking sticks in Sunday, which is great 'cos some of us have wood burning stoves.

[DTCwordfan]

God's done a pretty good job of knocking off a few thousand today....should be another thirty thousand years in prison on the strength of unleashing a typhoon on the Philippines.

Murderer.

[modeller]

seadogg So you agree with with the view of the theist group. !
The story is in Numbers 15.32-36
//I'd say that whoever killed the man just didn't like him for one reason, //

In this case it was an assembly of Moses' Israelites.

[modeller]

// God's done a pretty good job of knocking off a few thousand today....//

Maybe they collectively broke the Sabbath and all those who went to their aid have certainly broken it.

[Ivorlittlein]

Never read so much rubbish in all my life,modeller,your last post I am talking about,just go on believing all that guff if it keeps you going,but I would suggest you get into the real World.

[Zacs-Master]

Your posts are almost as nonsensical as goodlife's modeller. I think you should step away from religion for your own mental health.

[Ivorlittlein]

Thanks,Zacs,couldn't,t have put it any better myself.

[mikey4444]

This is exactly the kind of drivel that religious people always come out with, when faced with a question that they find inconvenient to answer.

Complete b00l0x, as usual. Take no notice of them whatsoever.

[RATTER15]

What a load of absolute nonsense!! There is no God!!

[naomi24]

//What say you ?//

I say this ‘God’ was not the creator God - if such a thing exists. A ‘God’ endowed by men with the very worst of human characteristics succeeds, through his sycophants, in ruling by fear. If he hadn’t been a psychopathic tyrant, he would have been long forgotten.

[sandyRoe]

God gave man free will and must weep to see how he uses it.

[naomi24]

Doubt it.

[Kromovaracun]

Sandy - this thread isn't about man exercising his will badly, it's about awful crimes attributed to God.

A better question would how the recent storm in the Philippines (seeing as unlike most of the bible we actually know it happened) fits into a benevolent and loving God's plan. Personally I find it rather sick to think that there are people around who are willing to tell the people of the Philippines that they have just experienced divine love. And then the legions of apologists will say that this is fine because it offers 'comfort'. It makes my skin crawl.

Anyway, I once put the question of why God slowly murders David's baby in the OT to a street preacher in my home town. I was given a highly confused ramble about how we mustn't judge past societies by our own standards and that God was operating in the context of that judicial system. I asked him how this fitted with God being a) morally perfect and b) eternal and was treated to exactly the same rant again. I asked the same question, got the same rant, and went around in this circle about 3 times before giving up.