Are There Any Muslims

[wildwood]

who frequent this R&S category and are willing to publicly declared their outrage at the atrocities carried out by extremists in the name of Islam?

[Zacs-Master]

Holy mother of Allah. THEY HAVE.
Senior UK imams and British Muslim community leaders have also condemned the killing, including Shuja Shafi of the Muslim Council of Britain.

He said: "David Haines went out to the region to help the people of the region. That extremists chose to murder him only shows once again the depravity of their warped ideology.

"These extremists in Iraq and Syria claim to be acting in the name of Islam. But there is nothing in our faith that condones such behaviour.

"These extremists wish to draw attention and recruits to their cause by sowing division and fear between people here in Britain. Let us deny them that luxury. The best way to defeat their extremism is to build even stronger bonds between communities here in Britain."

[Zacs-Master]

That was to DT (and anyone else who needed a reminder).

[pixie373]

I hope most atheists have the sense to know they don't have to. Why pander to ignorant generalisation if you have nothing to apologise for? How many muslims do we need to hear from, anyway? Will one be enough? A million?

[Zacs-Master]

Pixie, I was wondering what the magic number would be too.

[pixie373]

Naomi, //FrogNog, no other faction of our society includes members who pose a large scale physical threat to the security of this country and its people. //

Yes, they do. As I've said before- the biggest, most violent group of people are actually "men".

[pixie373]

...soon find out, zacs;-)

[DTCwordfan]

I know they have, Zacs - I hope that they continue to do so - and on a global basis. Has a Fatwa oin this been put out?

[naomi24]

Pixie, I don't expect moderate Muslims to apologise - but I would expect them to purposefully distance themselves from the actions of the perpetrators. Zac talks about 'sowing divisions between people here in Britain', but what better way to fortify cohesion than for individuals to make an audible stand against the atrocities?

Your comment regarding men is silly.

[Zacs-Master]

This is hard work,
the Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani issued his new fatwa (religious decree) calling on all able-bodied Iraqis to take up arms and defend their country, the ISIL will not be able to progress further.

http://www.iranreview.org/content/Documents/ISIL-s-Rising-Power-a-Challenge-to-International-Community.htm

[pixie373]

I know- and it's following your own logic. Nobody needs to distance themselves from something they are not associated with.

[Zacs-Master]

//what better way to fortify cohesion than for individuals to make an audible stand against the atrocities? //

Answer: for their leaders to.

[naomi24]

Pixie, but they are associated with it whether they like it or not. The call themselves Muslims, just as the members of IS call themselves Muslims.

[pixie373]

By whom? Only people who are too prejudiced to realise extremists are exactly that. Extreme. I also wouldn't worry about what those sort of people thought.

[THECORBYLOON]

Did Christians in the UK associate themselves with the terrorists in Ulster?

[naomi24]

Pixie, they're associated with it by the very fact that they are Muslim. If that wasn't so, the Muslim leaders that Zacs talks about wouldn't be purposefully condemning it. Is that really that difficult to understand?

[FrogNog]

So as a woman am I associated with dungaree wearing feminazis?
I don't like them. There you go.

[agchristie]

If we can't agree just on this site whether moderate Muslims should condemn publicly perhaps it's hardly surprising the moderates aren't coming out in big numbers?

[naomi24]

FrogNog, that’s as irrelevant to this discussion as Pixie’s statement that men make up the biggest, most violent, section of our society.

[THECORBYLOON]

The fact that someone does not condemn an action or belief does not mean they condone it. Why would you believe that unless a Muslim AB member condemns IS' actions, he or she supports their actions and twisted interpretations of Islam?

[agchristie]

A bit like not giving evidence in court or in this case a public declaration,could be seen as drawing a 'negative inference'?