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Does Khan's Election Denote The Apostasy Of The West?
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Unthinkable at any time in British history, but it's been allowed to happen.
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naomi; Unprovable of course, but look at a few facts; when there were plenty of bums on pews in Britain (Victorian and first half of the 20th cent.) it would have been, as I say in the op 'unthinkable' to have Muslim mayor of London (I know the post didn't exist as such then) because the country then lived under a clear Christian ethos.
Wherever that ethos still exists in Europe, eg. Italy, Poland, Russia etc. and most certainly Hungary, where I have recently been, these it seems to me, to be the countries least likely to be Islamified.
Whereas the least religious of all countries, Sweden, is allowing itself and its culture to be overrun to the extent that it might be a contender to become the first Muslim country in Europe.
Wishy-washy left wing liberalism combined with atheism has, along with mistaken idiocies such as so-called "multiculturalism", with anyone protesting being branded a "racist", is allowing Europe to sleep-walk into a disaster which has formally been resisted for centuries, - often by bloodshed.
The Islamic agenda is clear for all to see, and the appointment of a London mayor who of necessity, puts Islam before London, is to be viewed as being part of that agenda.
Wherever that ethos still exists in Europe, eg. Italy, Poland, Russia etc. and most certainly Hungary, where I have recently been, these it seems to me, to be the countries least likely to be Islamified.
Whereas the least religious of all countries, Sweden, is allowing itself and its culture to be overrun to the extent that it might be a contender to become the first Muslim country in Europe.
Wishy-washy left wing liberalism combined with atheism has, along with mistaken idiocies such as so-called "multiculturalism", with anyone protesting being branded a "racist", is allowing Europe to sleep-walk into a disaster which has formally been resisted for centuries, - often by bloodshed.
The Islamic agenda is clear for all to see, and the appointment of a London mayor who of necessity, puts Islam before London, is to be viewed as being part of that agenda.
Khandro, I agree with much of what you say, but with the exception of Italy, all the countries you’ve mentioned are eastern European. Who would choose to live there when the richer western countries are available? Eastern Europeans are coming here, so why would people from further afield choose differently? Liberalism is the culprit – not atheism.
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Atheists are just as diffident about more theists, milling about the place, as you are.
I don't know who is highest up the list for disposal, under Islamic rule but Atheism is an overt statement of unbelief. (Disbelief, in my book but splitting hairs will not save my neck, will it?)
Anyway, you haven't described a mechanism whereby bums on pews would serve to resist inward Muslim migration? Are you saying a massively Christian country has an innate repulsion factor?
Is hospitality to strangers in the bibble or is it not?
Atheists are just as diffident about more theists, milling about the place, as you are.
I don't know who is highest up the list for disposal, under Islamic rule but Atheism is an overt statement of unbelief. (Disbelief, in my book but splitting hairs will not save my neck, will it?)
Anyway, you haven't described a mechanism whereby bums on pews would serve to resist inward Muslim migration? Are you saying a massively Christian country has an innate repulsion factor?
Is hospitality to strangers in the bibble or is it not?
Welby is trying to rectify the damage done by his predecessor;
#“It’s NOT racist to fear Muslim immigration,” says the Archbishop of Canterbury: Justin Welby believes it is ‘outrageous’ to dismiss public’s genuine concerns about housing, jobs and the NHS.#
As to the pope, he's so out of touch with the real world, he's floating in the clouds. He can't speak for all Catholics because the person in the OP is a Catholic writing on a seriously Catholic site.
#“It’s NOT racist to fear Muslim immigration,” says the Archbishop of Canterbury: Justin Welby believes it is ‘outrageous’ to dismiss public’s genuine concerns about housing, jobs and the NHS.#
As to the pope, he's so out of touch with the real world, he's floating in the clouds. He can't speak for all Catholics because the person in the OP is a Catholic writing on a seriously Catholic site.
Khandro, you’re selective in your choice of comment from the Archbishop, who also said this:
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Additionally, we know the Pope is disconnected from the real world, but you forget that millions of Roman Catholics worldwide cling to his every word.
The fact is these church leaders endorse multiculturalism – they are both encouraging it - so your contention that atheism is the culprit and religion is the answer really doesn’t wash.
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Additionally, we know the Pope is disconnected from the real world, but you forget that millions of Roman Catholics worldwide cling to his every word.
The fact is these church leaders endorse multiculturalism – they are both encouraging it - so your contention that atheism is the culprit and religion is the answer really doesn’t wash.
// so your contention that atheism is the culprit and religion is the answer really doesn’t wash. //
Are you suggesting the obverse is the answer? Need I point out that there has never, in the history of humanity been a successful society founded on your beloved atheism?
I agree with Michel Houellebebc's assertion that "no society can survive without religion". Prove us wrong.
Are you suggesting the obverse is the answer? Need I point out that there has never, in the history of humanity been a successful society founded on your beloved atheism?
I agree with Michel Houellebebc's assertion that "no society can survive without religion". Prove us wrong.
Khandro, I'm tiresome to you because I don't and won't 'spin' - and I won't endorse your constant 'spinning'. I consider the facts and formulate my judgement based upon that. Church leaders, along with the liberally minded, are encouraging 'multiculturalism'. That's a fact. Furthermore, there has never been a society founded solely and entirely upon atheism. In any society that has ever promoted atheism, the impossible idealism of ‘equality’ (what a laugh!) has been the unworkable (and hypocritical) objective.
//I agree with Michel Houellebebc's assertion that "no society can survive without religion". Prove us wrong. //
While you people remain preaching and singing the praises of religion that's an impossible request. Have the courage to abandon religion and take responsibility for yourselves - all of you - and the proof will emerge that without religion the world would be a far happier place.
Eddie, //Would there be the same level of concern if a Jewish mayor had been elected? //
No, there wouldn't have been the same level of concern and for very good reasons. Jews have not given us reason to be concerned, neither have Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, or the people of any other religion because none of them harbour ambition to conquer and rule. Only Islam claims that objective - and if that doesn’t concern us we should consider ourselves to be infinitely stupid – because that’s exactly how Islam regards us.
//I agree with Michel Houellebebc's assertion that "no society can survive without religion". Prove us wrong. //
While you people remain preaching and singing the praises of religion that's an impossible request. Have the courage to abandon religion and take responsibility for yourselves - all of you - and the proof will emerge that without religion the world would be a far happier place.
Eddie, //Would there be the same level of concern if a Jewish mayor had been elected? //
No, there wouldn't have been the same level of concern and for very good reasons. Jews have not given us reason to be concerned, neither have Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, or the people of any other religion because none of them harbour ambition to conquer and rule. Only Islam claims that objective - and if that doesn’t concern us we should consider ourselves to be infinitely stupid – because that’s exactly how Islam regards us.
naomi; I endorse you reply to Eddie, but yours to me, is evasive and to use your word, "spinning".
I don't doubt you have your personal reasons for wishing to be an atheist, but that isn't the question, there have always been a minority of individual atheists in every society, but when the entire society eschews religion, as is happening in Britain and has already happened in Sweden, don't be shocked and outraged if another religion (in this case Islam) replaces it. Religion, not politics, is the bulwark against this happening to British society.
I don't doubt you have your personal reasons for wishing to be an atheist, but that isn't the question, there have always been a minority of individual atheists in every society, but when the entire society eschews religion, as is happening in Britain and has already happened in Sweden, don't be shocked and outraged if another religion (in this case Islam) replaces it. Religion, not politics, is the bulwark against this happening to British society.
This hasn't occurred to me, until now but, having arrived at atheism off my own bat, I find other atheists have also arrived at this destination without much external input (aside from the bible, ha ha). I don't feel any special affinity for them; we are just people with one thing in common.
This is the point where religions win out, simply by providing the sense of being part of a team, with common aims and club activities, like sitting on uncomfortable wooden benches in a draughty, artificial, cave and singing loudly (even if tone deaf).
I'm not sure if atheists have a common goal. If they choose the goal of ridding the world of religion then it becomes problematic because that has echos of Stalinistic purges, or the Cultural Revolution and so on. No better than wars between religions.
Khandro, you perceive atheism as a religious vacuum, expecting it to be filled by Islam. If any did convert then they weren't "proper" atheists, they were "latent theists", who succumbed to proselytism. You just have to get there first.
Atheists will not be substituted (so long as they keep producing offspring), if that's what you intended to depict but they certainly could become outnumbered, generations hence. "Survival of the fittest" could be re-written as "survival of the most numerous".
"Of course we're going to win… we have more men than they have."
- British General, in "Oh What A Lovely War"
This is the point where religions win out, simply by providing the sense of being part of a team, with common aims and club activities, like sitting on uncomfortable wooden benches in a draughty, artificial, cave and singing loudly (even if tone deaf).
I'm not sure if atheists have a common goal. If they choose the goal of ridding the world of religion then it becomes problematic because that has echos of Stalinistic purges, or the Cultural Revolution and so on. No better than wars between religions.
Khandro, you perceive atheism as a religious vacuum, expecting it to be filled by Islam. If any did convert then they weren't "proper" atheists, they were "latent theists", who succumbed to proselytism. You just have to get there first.
Atheists will not be substituted (so long as they keep producing offspring), if that's what you intended to depict but they certainly could become outnumbered, generations hence. "Survival of the fittest" could be re-written as "survival of the most numerous".
"Of course we're going to win… we have more men than they have."
- British General, in "Oh What A Lovely War"
Hypognosis....good point !
Just because Atheism is on the rise in educated countries, doesn't mean that millions of atheists will suddenly latch on to one particular religion, in this case Islam.
Atheism is a conscious rejection of religion and superstition, not some void
clamouring to be filled by one type of nonsense or another.
Just because Atheism is on the rise in educated countries, doesn't mean that millions of atheists will suddenly latch on to one particular religion, in this case Islam.
Atheism is a conscious rejection of religion and superstition, not some void
clamouring to be filled by one type of nonsense or another.
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