Three Questions

[Khandro]

With Brexit out of the way (?!) can we now turn to more momentous issues? I refer to those posed by St Augustine in reference to Creation; Who made it? By what means? & Why?

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, if you notice I rarely interject in these threads. When I do, it’s in the vain hope that the ad-infinitum nature of them becomes clear. I also like to point them in a different direction that the staid way they usually go. For instance, the combination of a scientific and religious origin to the universe is, to me, quite thought provoking.

[Zacs-Master]

Than, not that.

[naomi24]

Zacs, /the combination of a scientific and religious origin to the universe is, to me, quite thought provoking...

Perhaps you'll expand on that? I look forward to reading more.

[Zacs-Master]

pix, it’s humanities curse that to be sentient doesn’t have a limit on our curiosity. We have an innate desire to know everything; it’s what propels us (and May destroy us) as a race. We have infinite imagination but we live on a world with finite resources. Quandary, huh?

[pixie374]

It is... I'm sure a lot of us would love a definite answer, but sometimes a few people claim to have it... but won't really tell us ...

[naomi24]

^'Cos they can't - they're fibbing to you and to themselves.

[Zacs-Master]

Exactly why I categorise people, pix. There seems to be a few on here who claim to have the answers and call it faith which is a dead end argument. But you already knew that.

[pixie374]

Yes... but what for? Comfort?

[Zacs-Master]

Snap, Naomi (but you were more succinct)

[Zacs-Master]

Well, I’ve always thought that people who need religion or a Godhead in their lives lack a little self belief so, yes, comfort may be a good reason.

[pixie374]

Zacs, I like to know anyone's thoughts really and why. I think it is always interesting, but- only if they are happy to tell you lol... instead of stopping halfway through...

[mibn2cweus]

The assumption of 'Creation' is itself a presupposition possible only by virtue of a highly (but by no means completely) evolved organism lacking sufficient information to draw a rational conclusion about the means and process required. History demonstrates that in the matter of comprehending our own existence there are countless ways of getting it wrong while the amazing thing is that we ever get any of it right at all.

[Zacs-Master]

That’s the conundrum with ‘faith’. It always makes you stop half way through, because there’s no logical conclusion. However, as I say, we’re at a stage in our evolution where the same could be said of science.

We seem to have become the snake that consumes itself. Again.

[pixie374]

The difference is though, that science isn't happy until it is proven and reproven and tested, while religion relies on belief- or basically "what people would like to think", so I couldn't compare them at all.

[Zacs-Master]

But what if belief is all it takes for things to be created?

[pixie374]

Then we would have some proof of it.... who was around to "believe "?

[Zacs-Master]

Who says belief has to originate from a ‘who’?

[pixie374]

Don't you start lol... what else believes?

[Zacs-Master]

Something our minds can’t comprehend?

[pixie374]

Could well be...