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Could it be that in trying to discover the origins of the universe, science has compromised its search for the truth, in favour of a strict adherence to naturalism?
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Nical - // Could it be that some believers, in adhering to statements such as 'God simply IS', are blinding themselves to all other options, compromising the search for truth? //
It could indeed - but since that is the epitome of a self-fulfilling prophesy, they will never agree to that - ample evidence on threads like this if needed.
It could indeed - but since that is the epitome of a self-fulfilling prophesy, they will never agree to that - ample evidence on threads like this if needed.
Many stheists have proposed an eternal universe, but science has disproved that.
Therefore it had a beginning.
Therefore, in our experience, all things that begin to exist have had a cause.
Do you agree that there must have been a cause?
The alternative is that complete nothing was the somehow the cause.
That seems ridiculous.
Therefore it had a beginning.
Therefore, in our experience, all things that begin to exist have had a cause.
Do you agree that there must have been a cause?
The alternative is that complete nothing was the somehow the cause.
That seems ridiculous.
The universe we see seems to have a beginning at the Big Bang, but it was reading posts on this forum that introduced me to the possibility that the Big Bang may be simply a local phenomenon in a pre-existing universe; one that's influence has now expanded to as far, and farther, than we could ever reach (worm holes possibly excepted). That's not my preferred explanation though.
"I don't say God appeared from nowhere"
But do you refute it ?
"I say God simply IS"
But if a god is, then either it came from nowhere or it came from somewhere. And if the latter it probably needs a suggestion as to where.
In fairness, an eternal universe with no beginning would have the same issue. But the additional layer of complexity in the form of a creator doesn't help explain much, it merely pushes the questions back one step. If there is a creator then it needs a better explanation of it's existence. May as well assume no creator and apply the same reasoning to the universe directly.
But do you refute it ?
"I say God simply IS"
But if a god is, then either it came from nowhere or it came from somewhere. And if the latter it probably needs a suggestion as to where.
In fairness, an eternal universe with no beginning would have the same issue. But the additional layer of complexity in the form of a creator doesn't help explain much, it merely pushes the questions back one step. If there is a creator then it needs a better explanation of it's existence. May as well assume no creator and apply the same reasoning to the universe directly.
//I have tried to look extensively for a long time to understand how some scientists can say that the universe came from nothing.
Every single one I have looked at is found wanting.//
But if you found it, would you accept it anyway? To do so would to destroy your faith, and you're unwilling to let that happen. You say you continue the search, but it is not with an open mind.
Every single one I have looked at is found wanting.//
But if you found it, would you accept it anyway? To do so would to destroy your faith, and you're unwilling to let that happen. You say you continue the search, but it is not with an open mind.
