Could It Be?

Theland | 20:10 Fri 10th Jan 2020 | Religion & Spirituality

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Could it be that in trying to discover the origins of the universe, science has compromised its search for the truth, in favour of a strict adherence to naturalism?

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Mallyj - I don't say God appeared from nowhere.
I say God simply IS. He created time itself, and space and matter / energy.
All the relevant scientists cannot produce a theory that starts with nothing.
Roger Penrose and Sean Carroll come close, but not waterproof theories in my humble opinion.

Khandro

In the beginning God
created the heavens
and the earth.
The earth was barren,
with no form of life,
it was under a roaring ocean
covered with darkness.
But the Spirit of God
was moving over the water.

That's good enough for me, night-night!

Theland

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Problems with i pad crashing, can't read it.

But briefly what does it say?
Let's begin with nothing. That is NO THING.
Now what?

Theland

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Khandro - :-)

andy-hughes

Theland - // Could it be that in trying to discover the origins of the universe, science has compromised its search for the truth, in favour of a strict adherence to naturalism? //

If you like.

What's for tea?

Zacs-Master

Probably the same as yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that........

Nical

Could it be that some believers, in adhering to statements such as 'God simply IS', are blinding themselves to all other options, compromising the search for truth?

andy-hughes

Nical - // Could it be that some believers, in adhering to statements such as 'God simply IS', are blinding themselves to all other options, compromising the search for truth? //

It could indeed - but since that is the epitome of a self-fulfilling prophesy, they will never agree to that - ample evidence on threads like this if needed.

naomi24

Could it be … that science is right and it’s cracked God’s plan?

Zacs-Master

The crack in God’s plan would be a great SF book title.

Theland

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Many stheists have proposed an eternal universe, but science has disproved that.
Therefore it had a beginning.
Therefore, in our experience, all things that begin to exist have had a cause.
Do you agree that there must have been a cause?
The alternative is that complete nothing was the somehow the cause.
That seems ridiculous.

THECORBYLOON

"The alternative is that complete nothing was the somehow the cause.
That seems ridiculous."

Yet an invisible, eternal creator, isn't?

naomi24

//Many stheists have proposed an eternal universe, but science has disproved that. //

No it hasn't.

Old_Geezer

The universe we see seems to have a beginning at the Big Bang, but it was reading posts on this forum that introduced me to the possibility that the Big Bang may be simply a local phenomenon in a pre-existing universe; one that's influence has now expanded to as far, and farther, than we could ever reach (worm holes possibly excepted). That's not my preferred explanation though.

Old_Geezer

"I don't say God appeared from nowhere"
But do you refute it ?
"I say God simply IS"
But if a god is, then either it came from nowhere or it came from somewhere. And if the latter it probably needs a suggestion as to where.

In fairness, an eternal universe with no beginning would have the same issue. But the additional layer of complexity in the form of a creator doesn't help explain much, it merely pushes the questions back one step. If there is a creator then it needs a better explanation of it's existence. May as well assume no creator and apply the same reasoning to the universe directly.

naomi24

Theland, here’s a thought. If you think science is wrong, why do you claim (erroneously) that an eternal universe has been disproven by science, and declare science in that instance to be right?

Mozz71

//I have tried to look extensively for a long time to understand how some scientists can say that the universe came from nothing.

Every single one I have looked at is found wanting.//

But if you found it, would you accept it anyway? To do so would to destroy your faith, and you're unwilling to let that happen. You say you continue the search, but it is not with an open mind.