The Christian Thread.

[Theland]

A thread to discuss Christianity, as it is presented in the New Testament.
Hopefully, exchanges made with Christian love, or your love based on the Higher Power you worship.
And in that Spirit, a warm appreciation of any contributions made by atheists, agnostics, or religionists.
So to begin with a question, is Christianity as it is presented in the New Testament a good blueprint for our lives, and our society?

[naomi24]

Cross-posted but since you believe we're all sinners, that doesn't answer my question.

[Theland]

It is beneficial to adult society as it includes us all in service to each other, putting self second in favour of our, ''neighbour.''
Less selfishness ingrained as part of a moral code.

[naomi24]

You’re skirting the question, Theland. How can the concept of pre-conceived torture and murder together with the imposition of a notion of unnecessary guilt be beneficial to society? How can that be considered in any way ‘moral’?

[Theland]

Where is the preconceived torture and murder?
Do you not agree that a universal moral code is beneficial?

[naomi24]

Jesus’ gruesome death was pre-ordained.

A universal moral code is impossible to implement - and it’s not something you’ll find in the bible anyway - for obvious reasons.

[Theland]

Ah there you completely misunderstand the basic Christian theology.
Or rather, you do understand it, I'm sure you do, but simply disapprove.

[archibaldy]

1 Corinthians 2:15 - The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

That's no way to run an inclusive and compassionate society and is the root of a lot of the abuse, intolerance and closed mindedness of Christians over the years. It just puts reasonable people off the whole thing hence less and less people turning up every year despite the various climbdowns of mainstream Christianity regarding their reluctant acceptance of societal practices.

[SparklyKid]

your love based on the Higher Power you worship.


That will be my wife, I need no one else.

[nailit]

//A thread to discuss Christianity, as it is presented in the New Testament//

Whose Christianity do you wish to start with?
Paul's version?
The epistles alleged to have been written by Paul?
The Gospel writers?
(And which one)
The unknow epistle writers?
The extra biblical writers?

Theres so many different theologies presented in the NT and thats why we have so many different denominations now. Depends on which biblical author is pre-dominant in the founders mind.
Calvinists would quote st paul,
Armenianists would quote the gospels.
Preturists and futurists would all quote the Bible but all would quote differently from the same book.
In the same vain,
It could be argued that unbelievers are either tortured forever in damnation or simply damned to death and an unkowingness of anything (as per JW doctrine, Seventh Day Adventist doctrine , Christadelelphian etc)

Hell, you must be right.
I know nothing about these cults, ergo, you must be right

[woofgang]

and STILL no answer about women keeping silence in church.

[nailit]

Shoosh woof!
Be Quiet.....
;-)

[Spungle]

I notice Theland hasn't answered your question about the Bible teaching you refer to: "I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." This instruction for the men to teach in church, and the women to learn in silence works well in our congregation, and has done for many generations. As Nailit pointed out earlier, where other mainstream denominations lack power and authority in their attempt water down the instructions, true stability is found by simply answering to the words of Holy Scripture.

[Theland]

Hey what do you think this is?
Encyclopaedia Christiania?
I am here to discuss, offer my views and also learn from you.
I don't doubt your superior knowledge, neither am I a defence counsel.
I have my beliefs and enjoy discussing them.
They provide hope for me,as opposed to hope!essness.

[Theland]

It is obvious to me that there is a difference between what God demands, and the cultural norms preva!ent at the time.
Women issues of course.

[Atheist]

Spungle; I don't know if you're male or female, but I despise your attitude to the status that you think they should have.

[Atheist]

Women's status, that is.

[woofgang]

Theland "It is obvious to me that there is a difference between what God demands, and the cultural norms preva!ent at the time.
Women issues of course."

But its a part of christianity as presented in the new testament....so what else can we dismiss on the basis that cultural norms have changed?

[woofgang]

PS i think (hope) that Spungle is aving a laff

[Theland]

I should think you have more to worry about than cultural norms. Or is this mere entertainment?

[naomi24]

Theland, you sing the praises of biblical morality and yet your religion is founded upon an act so abhorrently immoral that if a human being had hatched such a plan, in the interests of public safety we would lock him up in a secure psychiatric unit for life. Somehow though, you find it within yourself to justify it. Quite frankly, Theland, your judgement leaves much to be desired.