Where Does God Get His Morals From?

[nailit]

Had a conversation recently with a ''born again'' type
(First conversation with a real life religionist in a while tbh....)

Thankfully only lasted a few minutes (felt like hours...but theres always one)
The usual subject of morals come from.
Atheists have no morals apparently. Or at least no OBJECTIVE morals without God.
I asked whose God?
Allah? Jehovah? Christ? Dionysius? etc.

I then asked where does God (In whatever way you view him/it/her) get THEIR morals from?
Conversation then petered out. (I was late for work anyway so no great loss)
I was in no way provoking an arguement, simply following through a logical discussion with a
question.

If humans need God's guidence to be moral, then where does God get his guidence from?

[naomi24]

Oh right. Thanks.

[nailit]

//I suppose they think its 'tough love' like a parent hitting a child 'for their own good'//
Tough love always a good excuse for bullying.

[nailit]

Khandro....
//Give 'em hell Jura!..

Realy?
What a jack ass!!!!

Just soaking up the love of christians and buddhists...

[fiveleaves]

God cannot be anything other than good. If you don't like that good it means your idea of what good is, is skewed

[nailit]

//Give 'em hell Jura!.. //
Do you honestly wish unimaginable torment on the
likes of myself, naomi and others?

Just sick!!

[nailit]

//God cannot be anything other than good//
Where do you get that notion from?
Seriously.

How do you know this?

[Atheist]

Naomi; 15:38. I'm surprised that you didn't understand Jura's post

[Atheist]

Naomi; I should have said 15:48.

[naomi24]

Fiveleaves, //God cannot be anything other than good//

Nonsense. How is tormenting people EVER good? Cruelty is never good - well, at least not in my world.

[naomi24]

Atheist. Okay.

[nailit]

//God cannot be anything other than good//

Not only how do you KNOW this,
But doesnt this remind you of a dictator or an abusive spouse?

And the bible COMMANDS multiple killings, genocides, and other acts that 20th century Europeans would consider barbaric nowadays.

But because Got ordered it several centuries ago its fine?
Really?

I could not kill another Human Being.
If I lived several hundred years ago, I could not kill another Human Being because some priest claimed to have have had a revelation from god that we had to kill a nation or whatever.

[naomi24]

There’s something very wrong with bullies and tormentors. That is never right - ever - and all the excuses - and obvious lies such as ‘God cannot be anything other than good’ - don’t wash. God was a cruel, demanding, egotistical, control-freak. He was a monster. How anyone can excuse it is quite beyond me - and yet the religious claim to ‘love’ him. Why? I don’t even like him - not one bit - but then I’m not a sycophant who’s terrified of death.

[nailit]

//There’s something very wrong with bullies and tormentors//
Its ''Tough Love''

AKA Bullying!

Try as I might (and for decades, I really have) I cannot wrap my head around the fact that this religeous being is in any way 'righteous'.
Its an abomination of all things that we consider right or decent.
The God of the Old Testament is a Demon in any right sense of the word.

[naomi24]

It’s not love of any sort, nailit. He tormented Job and Abraham for purely selfish reasons. It was all about him and his ego.

[nailit]

//It’s not love of any sort, nailit.//
I know that naomi....

;-)

[Atheist]

Naomi; it wasn't really about 'Him', it was about the survival of desert tribes living hard lives. Their leaders used 'God' as a way of persuading their people to stick together and keep their leaders in power. Gorillas, chimps and bonobos all have societies with rules and bosses and customs, and humans are much the same. AH said it in his first post. Morals come from people, not a man in the sky.

[Atheist]

People find life difficult and some choose to pass the buck to a superior being who they think explains everything and absolves them from responsibility.

[Atheist]

No religious person here has ever answered the question of what they would do about morals if there was no god. Would they and all the rest of us simply wallow in vile behaviour? Do they have no idea of how to form their own judgement of what constitutes vile behaviour? They surely only like god's opinions if they share them. They choose which god suits their own innate moral feelings. Why can't they see this?

[naomi24]

Atheist, do you know what I’m talking about? I don’t think you do.

[Atheist]

Naomi, I presume that you disagree with my posts. In what ways?