Where Does God Get His Morals From?

[nailit]

Had a conversation recently with a ''born again'' type
(First conversation with a real life religionist in a while tbh....)

Thankfully only lasted a few minutes (felt like hours...but theres always one)
The usual subject of morals come from.
Atheists have no morals apparently. Or at least no OBJECTIVE morals without God.
I asked whose God?
Allah? Jehovah? Christ? Dionysius? etc.

I then asked where does God (In whatever way you view him/it/her) get THEIR morals from?
Conversation then petered out. (I was late for work anyway so no great loss)
I was in no way provoking an arguement, simply following through a logical discussion with a
question.

If humans need God's guidence to be moral, then where does God get his guidence from?

[naomi24]

Atheist, you and I aren’t talking about the same thing.

[Atheist]

Naomi, so it would seem, but I'd be grateful if you could explain in what way, rather than simply stating the fact.

[nailit]

//No religious person here has ever answered the question of what they would do about morals if there was no god//
And no religious person ever will!

Non religious here and never will committ, to murder or stealing
Because quite simply I dont want to!

I WOULD murder if someone threatened my grandaughters life tho.
I WOULD steal if my family were dying of hunger.

[naomi24]

Atheist, you’re giving your opinion of why the Hebrews believed in a God - which I don’t necessarily agree with - but that’s another story. I’m talking about that God’s alleged treatment of two specific people.

[Atheist]

Naomi, you said "It’s not love of any sort, nailit. He tormented Job and Abraham for purely selfish reasons. It was all about him and his ego."
You were talking as though god existed, and I was trying to see what lies behind that sort of belief. I think we both agree that there isn't a god who was really having an ego-trip, it was a story invented by humans based on their own psychology. sandyRoe said it well in the best answer.

[naomi24]

Atheist, if I said 'God doesn't exist', there would be no discussion. This is about the moral code that millions of believers claim is unsurpassed. I am attempting to demonstrate, using examples from the bible, that it fails dismally.

[goodlife]

If you know Bible it say at James 1: 13 no suffering is from God. And yet you talk about the Bible. And you don't believe any of it!

[goodlife]

You are a poor lot. How much evidence do you need to see around the earth. (Revelation 11:18)

[naomi24]

Jura, //If you believe in God then you believe unequivocally, and without question, everything that was told in the Bible.//

I've no idea where you got that from but it isn't true at all. Some believe it without question - Creationists for example believe in the reality of Noah's Ark - but very many others take the stance that it was written by men inspired by God and is open to interpretation. Hence we get 'God' knows how many conflicting Christian sects (an estimated 45,000) - and on top of that the Jews and the Muslims have their opinions too.

//One cannot quote the Bible as if the events really happened, and then deny God Exists.//

If you’re arguing a point of principle, yes … one can…. although I haven't actually denied that God exists - or more accurately ever existed - just that I doubt very much that it was supernatural. I think it far more likely that your galactic travellers had something to do with it.

[naomi24]

PS. I don't think we can take Revelation too seriously. I think it's the result of considerable ... err ... cough ....over-indulgence. Lucy in the Sky .... and all that.

[Khandro]

Morals are not applicable to God. A moral, either absolute or universal, is a human concept.

I haven't read through this thread, but I assume someone has already pointed this out to the eejits.

[Khandro]

well done Jura!

[naomi24]

Morals are not applicable to God, khandro? Really? Perhaps that explains why he was a monster.

You and your over-active imaginings of something for which there is not a jot of evidence - and the rest of us are eejits? Righto. :o)

[Khandro]

naomi; 'Sometimes it's better to keep quiet & let people think ............. etc. etc. '

[naomi24]

I couldn’t agree more, khandro. Why don’t you do it?

[nailit]

//Morals are not applicable to God//

A plain reading of the Bible supports that....

[nailit]

Morals are not applicable to God....
You couldnt make this up....