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Snp Want Votes For 16 +17 Year Olds Aneu Citizens In Ge
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Are they desperate for votes, we can't vote in EU elections only the local ones and children fresh out of school will listen to their parents.
Are they desperate for votes, we can't vote in EU elections only the local ones and children fresh out of school will listen to their parents.
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//Mozz apologies you may have further observations here but I'm answering as I would had I suggested the net contributor idea.//
No apologies needed TTT, I thought things like an age limit were an obvious given, but I should've known better. Let me put it this way: if you have left full time education, and have gone into the workplace, you can vote. If you have been in the workplace previously, and find yourself currently on benefits or retired, you can vote. If you are a homemaker you can vote. If you are registered disabled or unfit for work, you can vote.
If you are in full time education and have never worked, or are sat on the dole since leaving education, no vote for you. Nor do you get a vote if you're voluntarily living outside of the UK.
I'm sure there are tweaks that can be made for different scenarios, but that is what I consider contributing to the country.
No apologies needed TTT, I thought things like an age limit were an obvious given, but I should've known better. Let me put it this way: if you have left full time education, and have gone into the workplace, you can vote. If you have been in the workplace previously, and find yourself currently on benefits or retired, you can vote. If you are a homemaker you can vote. If you are registered disabled or unfit for work, you can vote.
If you are in full time education and have never worked, or are sat on the dole since leaving education, no vote for you. Nor do you get a vote if you're voluntarily living outside of the UK.
I'm sure there are tweaks that can be made for different scenarios, but that is what I consider contributing to the country.
mozz: "No apologies needed TTT, I thought things like an age limit were an obvious given" - not to the professional contrarians on here!
"I'm sure there are tweaks that can be made for different scenarios, but that is what I consider contributing to the country. " - that won't stop TROB ignoring the general principle.
"I'm sure there are tweaks that can be made for different scenarios, but that is what I consider contributing to the country. " - that won't stop TROB ignoring the general principle.
It makes no sense to assume that, ttt, as many retirees are well under the age of average life expectancy.
I agree, mozz, people who have moved outside the country shouldn't be able to vote. However, the age of compulsory full-time education is different in Scotland and England, so that would not be a fair way to do it.
I agree, mozz, people who have moved outside the country shouldn't be able to vote. However, the age of compulsory full-time education is different in Scotland and England, so that would not be a fair way to do it.
//I'm going massively off-topic here...but until as such time as the state pension is linked to the amount you put in, rather than solely the number of years you put in, it's not actually a pension is it?//
Indeed, dd. A topic I have been banging on about on here and elsewhere for donkeys’ years. The State Pension scheme is an absolute farce. At present, someone earning £10k a year pays £164 in NI contributions. A person earning £100k pays £5,967 – 36 times as much. Yet for each of them the contribution amounts to the same – one contributing year – and each of them will receive the same State Pension.
There is no relationship between contributions made and payments to be received. Add to this the fact that many people who receive a State “Pension” receive nothing of the sort. They receive retirement age welfare benefits. Many of them have not paid sufficient contributions to fund their payments and the burden to make up the difference falls on current taxpayers. The State Pension scheme is not a pension scheme at all. It is a glorified – and massive – Ponzi scheme underwritten by taxpayers. Any City wide boys running such a scheme would soon find themselves up before The Beak.
Indeed, dd. A topic I have been banging on about on here and elsewhere for donkeys’ years. The State Pension scheme is an absolute farce. At present, someone earning £10k a year pays £164 in NI contributions. A person earning £100k pays £5,967 – 36 times as much. Yet for each of them the contribution amounts to the same – one contributing year – and each of them will receive the same State Pension.
There is no relationship between contributions made and payments to be received. Add to this the fact that many people who receive a State “Pension” receive nothing of the sort. They receive retirement age welfare benefits. Many of them have not paid sufficient contributions to fund their payments and the burden to make up the difference falls on current taxpayers. The State Pension scheme is not a pension scheme at all. It is a glorified – and massive – Ponzi scheme underwritten by taxpayers. Any City wide boys running such a scheme would soon find themselves up before The Beak.
//NJ - surely "National Insurance" isn't hypothecated purely for pensions?//
No it isn't, Dave. It simply goes into the general "pot". But NI contributions ARE used to calculate State Pension entitlement, but only in the way I described. This is part of the total farce you rightly say the State Pension scheme is. There should be no such scheme at all and certainly not one where there is such a disconnect between contributions made and benefits received.
The scheme has outlived its usefulness. It was a good idea when it was introduced as few people were able to contribute to a scheme which would give them a decent income in retirement. But that's not the case now. It's quite true that many people do not make provisions for their retirement. Some cannot and so should receive State assistance. But many can but don't and they should be at the back of the queue when the retirement handouts are considered. And money paid to them should certainly not be included in the "State Pension" total which, we're told, is such a drain on the economy..
No it isn't, Dave. It simply goes into the general "pot". But NI contributions ARE used to calculate State Pension entitlement, but only in the way I described. This is part of the total farce you rightly say the State Pension scheme is. There should be no such scheme at all and certainly not one where there is such a disconnect between contributions made and benefits received.
The scheme has outlived its usefulness. It was a good idea when it was introduced as few people were able to contribute to a scheme which would give them a decent income in retirement. But that's not the case now. It's quite true that many people do not make provisions for their retirement. Some cannot and so should receive State assistance. But many can but don't and they should be at the back of the queue when the retirement handouts are considered. And money paid to them should certainly not be included in the "State Pension" total which, we're told, is such a drain on the economy..
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