More Problems With The Vaccine

[Barsel]

A few people have had an allergic reaction to the vaccine so we are now being told people who have allergic reactions to some medicines, food etc might not be able to have it.I'm allergic to penicillin but don't know if this comes under significant allergy or not.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/people-who-suffer-significant-allergic-reactions-told-not-to-take-new-covid-19-vaccine/ar-BB1bLryM?li=BBoPWjQ

[woofgang]

alavahalf, intolerances are not allergies. I have got a couple of dietary intolerances but i would put up with the effects if necessary to get a covid vac....also if it comes to that, a flu vac.

[andres]

I wonder how the people with severe dementia in Nursing Homes will fare? Will they be given the jab even though they are in no petition mentally to give consent?

[woofgang]

if they are not competent as defined by law, then whoever is taking their medical decisions for other matters will take this decision using the same rules/guidelines they use for all other medical decisions.

[alavahalf]

I know woof .. having had a good few years with many intolerances. I am aware that an allergy gives an instant reaction. Even though I went to my GP for help, I was given none at all and have had to feel my way through it by trial and error. It's three years since I went out for a meal, every time I get let down, even though the Chefs have done their best. So eating out is a thing of the past, bit of a nightmare I'm afraid. Everything I eat has to be made from scratch.
It is serious now .. I would now have to have a substantial meal if I fancied a pint .. were that to happen I would be unconscious for two days !

[jno]

woofgang, my local hospital doesn't have its own records. They called me in for some procedure a couple of eyars ago and since they didn't ask, I asked them "You know you did exactly the same thing to me in 1999?"

And they didn't. They said they'd search the archive in the basement, all written in quill pen on parchment, and they still found nothing. Fortunately I'd made my own note, but it didn't include any useful medical details.

[woofgang]

Jno I am not at all surprised. I used to keep DH a go bag packed for his hospital admissions with his current medical history and recent bloods and so on written and collated by us. He had one copy in the go bag, I had a copy in my go handbag and I always had a couple of spares on me so that if his copy got added to his notes or "lost" we had spares to hand.

[bednobs]

and again, i'm sorry but i have to clafiy - when i said "they might be using a combination) i actually mean the NHS, so for example in yorkshire they may be giving the oxford vaccine to people and in cornwall the pfizer I didnt mean a mix and match situation

[theprof]

bednobs, I'm really sorry that I didn't take into account that someone could consider that different vaccines would be available in different regions of the UK. That is not how the vaccination regime has been geared to work. Curiously, having quickly looked through all the posts here on AB, I can't find a single instance of the matter being raised before. All this has made me wonder where you had the idea from as not even the BBC etc seems to have touched upon it.

The vaccination program right now is all about the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine for a number of reasons including the fact that half of all the shipment that is with us in the UK needs to be used as rapidly as possible and the other half in a few weeks time. The vaccine efficacy is the best we have right now. The vaccine is also the only one being deployed right now and we need to assess the differences it makes to communities with regard to R numbers and a load of other stuff too.

Deploying medics to mess about with a totally different vaccine from scratch is not the way forward when we need to concentrate on this one. Giving people different vaccines in different counties would be a recipe for disaster from both logistical, statistical and medical standpoints.

I would add though that it wouldn't surprise me if this does become possible in the future but for me right now, there are a few matters preventing it.

[bednobs]

i suppose because we don't have enough of the 1st vaccine to vaccinate everyone. Say, for exapmle the oxford vaccine came online next week. The NHS might want to start using that, at the same time of using the stocks up of what they already have, The frrozen one would continute o be given in hospitals, but the oxford one could be quickly nipped round to the care homes. Then uf say another came online in a few weeks, and we also had some of that, perhaps that's be shipped to anglia and those people would get that one? Clearly i have no idea how things work though :) Now they've started with the Pfizer one, are we just going to wait till we have enough for everyone, or if another came online would that start to be used as well?

[Apc2604]

Is Geoff actually dead? It wouldn't surprise me if he managed to survive! After all Alia can walk through fire and smoke after being knocked unconscious!

[bobbinwales]

Oh, as Geoff taken the vacinne?

[emmie]

sure you have the right thread apc

[Apc2604]

Ha ha. Wrong thread!

[woofgang]

bedknobs the risks of using two vaccines at the same time, both of which need two doses are too....well....risky...ha ha to be considered, especially in the same area of the country. Its difficult enough to administer any two dose injection regime to people who have to turn up somewhere for it rather than people who stay put and its brought to them....they forget, change their minds and so on...and that's without such errors as the wrong vaccine being distributed to the wrong people, the wrong care being given to the vaccine in transit. Its a core principle that systems like this have to be not just idiot proof but normal sensible people proof because normal sensible people make mistakes too. I could envisage (and I am not a scientist but a retired organiser) that other vaccines will go to other countries at first. Later on perhaps there might come a time where all the people who have had the pfizer vac have had both doses and there is no Pfizer vaccine being distributed/used ANYWHERE in the UK and then another vac might be used for a different tranche of people....even then I guess care would need to be taken to avoid revaccinating people who had the Pfizer vac....people are funny, there will always some few who think that if one vaccine regime is good then two will be better and will try and get a different one. I think the only exception would be absolute necessity....for instance if it was found that one vaccine didn't work at all on a certain section of the population or was seriously dangerous to a certain section....then use of two vaccines at the same time but given to different people might be considered.....but my goodness they would have to be careful!

[ladybirder]

Can we put this thread on hold please until I've had my vax tomorrow? You're giving me the willies!

[Togo]

//You're giving me the willies!//

Now that would be a "reaction" to make a fuss about. I can see the headlines, ""Covid vaccine gives ladies willies"" now. :))

[theprof]

There are still issues over the effectiveness of the Oxford vaccine in the elderly bednobs, so distributing it in care homes is not on the cards right now.

Regional distribution of the Oxford vaccine is going to happen in exactly the same way as has happened with the Pfizer vaccine. The "V Day" will be the same all over the UK. This is the only fair way to do it. There would be uproar if for example, England started jabbing people before Wales or Scotland received their allocation and similarly, one region of England used the vaccine before another.

The patients who have had the vaccine are due back in three weeks for the second dose. That will take us to the end of the year. We can't be certain when the Oxford vaccine will gain approval and all this means that the logistics of distribution can be fine tuned over the next few weeks.

Mixing and matching vaccines is not going to happen as the vaccines are not interchangeable. I discussed the pitfalls of patient choice elsewhere.

[theprof]

Although discussions on the next batch of vaccine from Pfizer are taking place, we have no firm date on that right now.

The whole situation is fluid and is having to be reviewed daily.

[bednobs]

thanlks for your input theprof

[Peter Pedant]

// headlines, "Covid vaccine gives ladies willies shock" //
sozza cannot resist 'improving' other men's one liners - no no - injecting more reality into ....

well my dears - you know all the Oxford schlock about approval in the land of the free? You dont? Trump wants instant approval for the vaccines so he can take the credit for development of everything ( of course)

and so a few weeks ago the greatest man on earth asked if everything was on course and was assured it was

because they 'forgot' to tell him the Oxford one had been paused on account of the transverse myelitis. and now he wants to know why. His view is that his central part in the design, testing and production of all vaccines has been deliberately wrecked by the Dem dogs who also cheated over the election.