More Problems With The Vaccine

[Barsel]

A few people have had an allergic reaction to the vaccine so we are now being told people who have allergic reactions to some medicines, food etc might not be able to have it.I'm allergic to penicillin but don't know if this comes under significant allergy or not.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/people-who-suffer-significant-allergic-reactions-told-not-to-take-new-covid-19-vaccine/ar-BB1bLryM?li=BBoPWjQ

[Barsel]

From Dave's link.
///The patient information leaflet with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine says it should not be given to people allergic to any substance in the vaccine.///
I wonder if they say what is actually in the vaccine? I've seen this before on medicines but it doesn't say what they contain.

[Mamyalynne]

If you are invited to attend for the Vaccine, point out what you are allergic to and take it from there.

[bednobs]

you need to wait until you are actually called to have the vaccine. Then you will know which one you are going to get (by the time they get round to you there may be 4-5 to chose from)and make a decision based upon facts

[woofgang]

//A few people have had an allergic reaction to the vaccine so we are now being told people who have allergic reactions to some medicines ...//

Naomi."Why have they only now discovered that some may have an allergic reaction to it? I was under the impression it had been thoroughly tested. Did none of the guinea pigs have an allergic reaction?"

Its been known since before the first clinical (ie non test) vaccinations were done.

"It’s very rare for anyone to have a serious reaction to the vaccine (anaphylaxis). If this does happen, it usually happens within minutes.

Staff giving the vaccine are trained to deal with allergic reactions and treat them immediately." https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

people who get the vaccination are asked to stay on the premises for 15 minutes after being vaccinated in case of anaphylaxis.

the "don't have/swallow/use this if you are allergic to any of the ingredients" is pretty much standard on all medication information leaflets.

[Barsel]

bednobs do you think there is a possibility that the other vaccines will be ok?If that's the case, I would rather wait and see.

woofgand ///people who get the vaccination are asked to stay on the premises for 15 minutes after being vaccinated in case of anaphylaxis.///
Do you think it will be given somewhere where they will have the treatment to give anyone who has an allergic reaction?

[Barsel]

woofgang, sorry i see you have covered that in your previous post.

[Apc2604]

I have multiple allergies. I am very worried about any new drug or substance. My allergies have increased over the years. The flu jab last year was disastrous, my immune system is compromised.

I think I might be shielding for the rest of my life!

[dannyk13]

Woofie, so will the nurse giving the vaccine to a housebound patient hang around for fifteen minutes?

[theprof]

bednobs 12:31, in an ideal world, the authorities would like nothing better than what you state in your post.

The reality is different. Eligible people will be called up for the vaccine when the time comes. It's impossible to say firstly, when that group will be called and secondly, what vaccines are available at the time. In essence, providing you with a "choice" of vaccine is going to be logistically impossible for some time.

The result of this is that centres are very likely to have only one vaccine available. You will be offered the vaccine It is your choice if you want it or not. If it's not the one you want, you are free to leave the facility.

The aim right now is to vaccinate as many people as possible with the vaccines that we have and massive resources are being ploughed into it. The ability to offer multiple vaccines is not part of the vaccination programme and quite rightly so. No one wants to delay the vaccine rollout by diverting resources and deployment elsewhere.

[Vagus]

I wonder what happened in these two cases..were they not asked if they had allergies, as per the information sheet. Or were they asked but chose not to disclose that they did.
You’d have thought they might have told the person giving the jab that they had ‘severe allergies’ even if they weren’t asked, I certainly would have done.

[Barsel]

theprof Now they know about these reactions to this vaccine, would they now ask the patient if they have allergies , and if the answer is yes, would it be possible for that patient to wait until there is another vaccine that can be given?

[bednobs]

sorry, I didn't mean Barsel would have a choice, I meant they may be using a different vaccine or a combination by then (my impression is barsel is 70+ rather than 75+ so will be waiting a while)

[theprof]

Barsel, yes, they would ask the patient about allergies. If the patient disclosed allergies, current guidelines state that rather than delay vaccination for a patient, the person vaccinating should refer the concerns to a specialist, local health protection team or immunisation team. They will recommend the course of action to take based on the information provided by the patient.

Deferring vaccination is usually involved where the patient is unwell and certain other limited condition.

The issue of deferment of vaccination until an alternative vaccine becomes available takes us back to my post above about choice. If a patient is convinced that he or she will be harmed by a vaccine, they are free to walk away and there is nothing in place right now to recall patients who refuse to have the vaccine offered when their turn comes up. I cannot emphasise enough that this vaccination programme cannot take into account such scenarios right now.

[Apc2604]

The trouble is Vague that people can be totally unaware that they have allergies to some things unless they come into contact with them. I was totally unaware that I had allergies to chickens, pigeons and parrots until 20 years ago, when an allergy caused my lungs severe damage. Fortunately, discovered in time. Allergies aren't just about anaphylactic shock. A nurse standing by at minutes won't be any good when allergies appear afterwards, as they did with my last flu jab.

[Apc2604]

Whoops sorry Vagus!

[theprof]

Thanks for clarifying that bednobs.

The programme is designed so that the number of doses allocated is divided by two so that each vaccinated patient comes back to have exactly the same vaccine during the due week.

Combination vaccinations ie vaccination using different vaccines on their due dates, are forbidden under current guidelines.

[Vagus]

Yep, I get that apc, but these two nurses apparently had severe allergies, severe enough to carry epi pens.
So if they were asked, they’d presumably say yes they did have severe allergies. And if they weren’t asked then I’d have thought they would volunteer the information themselves...unless they were so keen to have the vaccine they decided not to mention it and hope they would be ok.

[woofgang]

My point is that this "knowledge" isn't new. As I said its standard on every medical advice leaflet. It would be more surprising if no one in the testing group had had any kind of allergic reaction, given how common they are...think hayfever, dust mite allergy, animal dander allergy and so on. When I had my first few purchased flu vacs I was asked to stay in store for 15 minutes after the vac. I believe that pharmacies ask people who have the pneumonia vac to do the same thing.
Yes there will be people who have serious, by which I mean life threatening allergy issues and have to be careful. They have to be careful about many things in everyday life and this will be one more. But this isn't most people and it isn't even most people who have allergies...
proportion folk......proportion.

[Apc2604]

Oh, thanks Vagus. I agree then. The buses are daft not to inform the person giving the vaccination, and they should have been asked. I wear a medi bracelet warning of allergies among other things in case of emergencies.

[Apc2604]

I give up. Nurses not buses!