What Are Ordinary Gazans Supposed To Do?

[Untitled]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-teenager-sees-parents-siblings-killed-after-seeking-safety-south-2023-10-23/
 

the israeli military has instructed families in gaza city to go south to avoid the bombardment... this family did as they were told and according to this report 13 of them were killed anyway because an airstrike hit their shelter... the young girl being interviewed says she is the only one left.

what are ordinary gazans supposed to do?

[Untitled]

 neither. 

[royfromaus]

Which Palestinians?

 

Bizarre.

I no doubt mean the Palestinians that ignore the Geneva conventions.

 

So care to answer with a yes or no?

 

 

[naomi24]

If neither win it follows that this volatlle and inflamatory situation that's blighted that land year after year will continue indefinitely because Hamas and its fellow terrorists will never stop.  I'm not entirely sure I believe you - or that you really believe what you're  saying yourself.

[Ellipsis]

> Which Palestinians?

> Bizarre.

> I no doubt mean the Palestinians that ignore the Geneva conventions.

OK, so your full question was "Do Palestinians that ignore the Geneva conventions stick to the Geneva conventions?"

The answer is obviously no, Roy, those Palestinians don't.

[Untitled]

I do not support wars of annihilation naomi and that is what both of the ruling sides in this war are practising. i do not think any decent person can in good conscience support a war of annihilation targeting any people. in the long term i would like to see israel returned to its 1949 borders but that is not the goal of hamas and i do not believe it is acceptable to slaughter civilians in pursuit of that goal 

[royfromaus]

So the Palestinians that run Palestine ignore the Geneva conventions?

 

This was aimed at those Palestinians was it?

 

//There are more than two sides to this.

Also, it's possible to defend a country without inflicting war crimes on innocent people, especially children and babies ... //

[Untitled]

Hamas does not run all of palestine roy

[Zacs-Master]

For what it's worth, I still think your arguments are coming from a non-existent standpoint I.e. your assuming people (quite who is a mystery, as I can't see anyone doing it) are in support of war in general and the atrocities perpetrated by both sides. 
you still seem to be trying to generate an argument which isn't there. 

[Ellipsis]

In the space between an appalling action and a country's reaction, a country like Israel has choices.  They do not have to take themselves down and degrade themselves in the same way as the original perpretrators. The rules of war, the Geneva Conventions, the protection of civilians - especially children and babies - this is what sets apart a decent person from a terrorist, and a decent country from a rogue state.

[theshedman]

Another thing Untitled is that the majority of Hamas in Gaza started off as the Ordinary Gazans as you call them.  Just ordinary people who as one on here likes to say have been Radicalised.  Many are taught from an early age to hate anything to do with Israel or anyone trying to bring peace to the area.  As I have said before I know this from first hand as whenever we crossed between Egypt and Israel via the Rafah crossing it was always the Gazan children who threw stones at our vehicles not the Israeli people and this was in the early 1980s.

[Untitled]

if you were there in the early 80s shedman then gaza had been under military occupation for almost 20 years. it's hardly surprising that the people you saw in the street were big fans of israel 

there is a long way between that and an actual terrorist though... certainly it does not justify killing civilians 

[Untitled]

* were not big fans

[theshedman]

What I was getting at was many of the children back in the 80s are the Hamas of today.  It was the way they were brought up.  Then you have their Imams preaching it to them not the proper version of the Quran but Hamas's one as was on TV a couple of days ago.

[Untitled]

true, but i do not think that observation makes the killing of civilians acceptable.

[naomi24]

// Then you have their Imams preaching it to them not the proper version of the Quran//

 

I think you'll find it is the proper version, Shedman.

[theshedman]

The killing of any civilians in a war isn't right so why did Hamas go out of their way to do it in the first place, because they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet as a starter I suppose.

[naomi24]

People don't have to be military to be regarded as the enemy, Shedman.  If they aren't Muslim being who they are is enough.

[Untitled]

"why did Hamas go out of their way to do it in the first place, because they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet as a starter I suppose."

Yes. They do not consider any israeli to be a civilian, even children.

[Zacs-Master]

Exactly the same mind-set as Nazis.