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Has anybody who's "answered" your question bothered to read the article, do you think, MerylPeep? I think most of the correspondents have got no further than its title.
For those who don't trust AOG's sources, I can refer you to a classier publication The Spectator, which has discussed the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt (most especially under the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood), and the massacre of RCs in Syria and of them and other Christians now in Iraq by IS, in several recent issues. Your article's author, Douglas Murray, is a regular contributor to that journal (as are the esteemed Matthew Parris and Rod Liddle - he of "The Trouble with Atheists" documentary for those whose memories stretch back that far).
Murray's article asks a testing question: where are the protests by the usual suspects? No demos in London that I've noticed. No clamour in the UN denouncing war crimes. Mind you, there's an excellent opportunity for Angelina Jolie with the recent news about the Jihadis and their cross-faith links with Christian and other girls. No clamour on AB that I've noticed, even from Christians and Amnesty International supporters.
For those who don't trust AOG's sources, I can refer you to a classier publication The Spectator, which has discussed the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt (most especially under the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood), and the massacre of RCs in Syria and of them and other Christians now in Iraq by IS, in several recent issues. Your article's author, Douglas Murray, is a regular contributor to that journal (as are the esteemed Matthew Parris and Rod Liddle - he of "The Trouble with Atheists" documentary for those whose memories stretch back that far).
Murray's article asks a testing question: where are the protests by the usual suspects? No demos in London that I've noticed. No clamour in the UN denouncing war crimes. Mind you, there's an excellent opportunity for Angelina Jolie with the recent news about the Jihadis and their cross-faith links with Christian and other girls. No clamour on AB that I've noticed, even from Christians and Amnesty International supporters.
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Am surprised to find that I agree with much of what the article says, though it is careful to stress that is all down to post-Arab Spring, >hardline< interpretations of Islam which is the problem. (Annoyingly some people need repeated pushing to use the qualifier because they prefer to abbreviate their speech and make sweeping generalisations, whether they mean to or not).
The article also, rightly, picks out tge lack of action from the "Don't attack Iraq" brigade…
//No European capital has been brought to a standstill by a march expressing outrage. There are few calls for war-crimes trials of the perpetrators.//
Oh but first catch your perpetrators. Far easier to TWEP them. Much as I hate that extra-judicial stuff, I have to admit it's effective.
Am surprised to find that I agree with much of what the article says, though it is careful to stress that is all down to post-Arab Spring, >hardline< interpretations of Islam which is the problem. (Annoyingly some people need repeated pushing to use the qualifier because they prefer to abbreviate their speech and make sweeping generalisations, whether they mean to or not).
The article also, rightly, picks out tge lack of action from the "Don't attack Iraq" brigade…
//No European capital has been brought to a standstill by a march expressing outrage. There are few calls for war-crimes trials of the perpetrators.//
Oh but first catch your perpetrators. Far easier to TWEP them. Much as I hate that extra-judicial stuff, I have to admit it's effective.
I wanted to see what our Wahabee friends have to say. Got this from http://
This is one of many from that link. What it says is interesting. What it does not say is also interesting.
A Joint Statement of 47 Scholars in Saudi Arabia
Including Al-Ghunaymaan, Al-‘Umar, Al-Mahmoud and Al-Jalali Al-Mahmoud
The joint statement asserted that it is impermissible and of tyranny for one faction to impose itself as the only holder of legitimacy and that it is necessary that all other groups pledge allegiance to it without consulting the Muslims, otherwise they become of the Khawārij and their blood becomes permissible. It argued that this is the main reason for divisions and internal fighting. Sheikh Hamoud b. Ali al-Omari added: “The reality of the matter is, every drop of blood shed between the (rebel) factions in Syria is due to al-Baghdadi’s refusal to allow the Sharī’ah to arbitrate while implementing his own innovated Sharī’ah.”
There is no act, the punishment for which has been mentioned more sternly than that of killing a believer intentionally where a collection of five severe retributions have been listed:
“But whoever kills a believer intentionally – his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allāh has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.”[27]
Rhetorical question: would you like to live in a society where this shower had the last say?
This is one of many from that link. What it says is interesting. What it does not say is also interesting.
A Joint Statement of 47 Scholars in Saudi Arabia
Including Al-Ghunaymaan, Al-‘Umar, Al-Mahmoud and Al-Jalali Al-Mahmoud
The joint statement asserted that it is impermissible and of tyranny for one faction to impose itself as the only holder of legitimacy and that it is necessary that all other groups pledge allegiance to it without consulting the Muslims, otherwise they become of the Khawārij and their blood becomes permissible. It argued that this is the main reason for divisions and internal fighting. Sheikh Hamoud b. Ali al-Omari added: “The reality of the matter is, every drop of blood shed between the (rebel) factions in Syria is due to al-Baghdadi’s refusal to allow the Sharī’ah to arbitrate while implementing his own innovated Sharī’ah.”
There is no act, the punishment for which has been mentioned more sternly than that of killing a believer intentionally where a collection of five severe retributions have been listed:
“But whoever kills a believer intentionally – his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allāh has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.”[27]
Rhetorical question: would you like to live in a society where this shower had the last say?
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