Fasting

[NoMercy]

Do you believe in its powers? I'd be really interested to hear your opinions.

[pastafreak]

//DT...I'm very sorry for Minty but you can't use that to stop people posting in other threads.//

He can try...lol!!
Sometimes the nastiness on here beggars belief...its so unnecessary

[Quizproquo]

Pasta I have no intention of being nasty, but I do worry about uncredited stuff being given across as fact.
I don't doubt that NoM has the best intentions for her dog and I hope it gets better. I do worry that people will see this and do the same without getting the right advice, hence the questions I have raised.
Asking people to substantiate claims of cure alls is not nasty, it's fair to the general public reading this site and gaining information from it.
I would like to think that NoM sees it that way too, after all, she would not want to see someone unintentionally harm their animal by reading bad advice any more than I would.

[Retrochic]

for goodness sake - NOM you asked for opinions on Fasting then pontificated when people did not agree with you. No doubt the 'systemic' medication ( chemotherapy) helped your dog and the complimentary fasting did no harm but you have to be very careful when professing that these complimentary or alternative therapies have the capacity to cure. 'Cure' is a big word. I have no need to make 'inflammatory ' remarks for the sake of it and if you think all the other people on here agreeing with me are my 'alter egos' then you have a problem. I wish your dog a healthy recovery if at all possible.

[DTCwordfan]

hi pasta, I'm not advocating 'stopping' - just put it into perspective......

we all advocate a cure/improvement for Alfie as we do others on here, be they human or animal.

[NoMercy]

I haven't pontificated in anyway.

I hope you realise that you have your beloved systemic meds today as a result of medical research.

Recent conclusions and findings over the healing, reparative and general health benefits of fasting are the result of, yes, medical research, and quite extensive, widely observed and protracted medical research led by highly skilled Physicians. Why scoff at the latest medical research when it was medical research that gave you your drugs in the first place?

[ladybirder]

Well when you do feed him please take my advice and give my suggestion a go. My dog's eye problem cleared up in a few days after starting on Nutriment and Natures Instinct. x

[pastafreak]

//DTCwordfan
hi pasta, I'm not advocating 'stopping' - just put it into perspective......

we all advocate a cure/improvement for Alfie as we do others on here, be they human or animal//

Agree

[bednobs]

What a load of catty responses - why ask for opinions if you don't want them? You sound like a textbook and that kind of puts me off your argument really.
Back to the original question i believe in fasting as a cure for chronic illness about as much as i would believe it if someone said they'd cured their brain tumour with homeopathy, or reversed dementia with acupunture, or gave up tomatoes and got rid of their unremitting pain.
I think that food can play an important part in symptoms and how you feel, but not to the extent of fasting Having amazing powers

[NoMercy]

Catty responses? I gave as good as I got bednobs.

The difference between you and I is that I'm well read on the subject and have studied many articles and clinical findings on the subject.

Come back to me when you've done the same...

[Sqad]

mmmm!

A hot topic on both AB and in the medical world particularly Oncology, but more work and studies need to be done.
NoM is correct, in that there is "some" and well reported evidence from prestigious centres, that fasting reduces the side effects of chemotherapy and perhaps causes reduction in the size of the tumour.

That is chemotherapy + fasting.

As far as rheumatic diseases are concerned, there is some suggestion, that some foods act as allergens (allergy) in the instigation of the auto-immune response and may be helped by elimination diets, which are quite different from "fasting."...

[rsvp]

I haven't read through all the posts so apols if this has been mentioned but - years ago a highly respected vet recommend we feed our dogs six days out of seven as the fasting day would rid the body of toxins.

[Old_Geezer]

And if you don't live longer, it will certainly feel like it.

[NoMercy]

Thank you, Sqad. Your medical opinion is always appreciated.

[NoMercy]

Thanks, rsvp. Good to know I'm not alone in inflicting cruelty and untold, needless suffering on my animal ;)

[Retrochic]

"Catty responses? I gave as good as I got bednobs. "

All you got were opinions that differed from your own and you didn't like it.
You inferred your dog had been 'cured' by fasting, refused to answer any questions on his previous medication until you were 'outed' that the dog has recently received a course of chemotherapy.

The general public can access these questions and answers and it is irresponsible to make huge claims yet only give half the story.

IF you had stated the dog had received Chemo treatment which has worked, but some side effects and symptoms were been treated by Fasting in a Complimentary role to mainstream medication it would have been both factual and justifiable.

[ummmm]

NoM mentioned at 20:54 that Alfie had received treatment. Nowhere did she say Alfie was cured, just that they'd been an improvement.

"I've done this in order to see whether I can give him relief from his chronic illness without subjecting him to further gruelling chemotherapy and all the associated side effects."

[Mamyalynne]

I've very little to add re fasting, as I have read nothing about any studies.

But NoM did mention Alfie's Chemo on Tuesday on page 1.

[Retrochic]

NOM 20.07

"Fasting has been found to cure and reverse disease, eat tumours and scar tissue and remove the need for biologic and cytotoxic medications."

The Original Question was not about her dog.

[NoMercy]

To clarify:

Alfie had good initial response to chemo, but the effects were short-lived. The side effects of vomiting and diarrhoea and loss of appetite were severe enough to not make me want to put him through that again.

I have never inferred, hinted, suggested or asserted that Alfie has achieved a cure, merely that he is already demonstrating clinical improvement. You are twisting my words, retro, no doubt for your own pernicious reasons.

[bednobs]

"The difference between you and I is that I'm well read on the subject and have studied many articles and clinical findings on the subject.

Come back to me when you've done the same..."
this superiority makes you sound like the religionsts on here - they have well read their bible and believe everything they have read too (then try to make you come round to their way of thinking) You asked for opinions, not for only people who are "well read" and have studied the subject. To then be so derisory of the opinions is catty - it's not a very attractive trait to tell everyone you know much more them them, so therefore they must be wrong.