I Honestly Dont Get It...

[nailit]

More and more people are getting vaxed against covid and yet cases are rising??
Shouldnt it be the other way around?

[Hymie]

Whatever happened to heard-immunity?

[tiggerblue10]

As others have said, the vaccine greatly reduces the risk of death if you catch covid. It doesn't prevent stop anyone from catching it though.

Cases may be high but deaths are not as high as they were with the same number of cases, this time last year. The figures are significantly less.

How do you know you're 'on the right side', Fraser?

[davebro]

//if your immune system is fine nothing is needed//

Who can put their hand on their heart & say "My immune system is so good it will deal with Covid"?

(that would be HERD immunity Hymie)

[anneasquith]

Cases are rising, are they, or just more testing ?
Please you antivaxers why don’t you get vaccinated ?

[bobbinwales]

//Whatever happened to heard-immunity?//
I heard herd immunity is a much higher percentage than initially hoped.

[bobbinwales]

And the antibodies wears off within 6-9 months, and the vaccine effect fades quite fast. Herd immunity is not an option now for the medical experts unfortunateley

[jourdain2]

As I understand it. Being vaccinated does not stop you from catching Covid. It does minimise the likelihood of your being severely affected by it and so minimises the death rates. It does not stop you from passing-on Covid, but again minimises the risks.

In other words, cases are rising as people are mixing etc., but the important thing is that they are not being hospitalised or dying. This is probably because people at risk have been vaccinated and younger people are much, much more likely to have a 'light' illness.

We also test far too much. If we tested for the common cold then the figures would be frightening I expect!

[naomi24]

I’m sorry for your loss nailit, but I don’t get what is so difficult to get. Infections are rising because viruses spread - but the vast majority of those people suffer minimal effect and survive. I read that the hospital beds are occupied in the main by the unvaccinated. The vaccine works. Of that there is no doubt. I really hope there won’t be many more people lying in hospital regretting their decision to reject the opportunity to do their best to protect themselves. Their illness is self inflicted - and that’s just crazy.

[david small]

I had the Pfizer booster today. Before I had two A/Zeneca jabs. Don’t feel too chipper, also wondering why Pfizer and not Astra Zeneca?

[bobbinwales]

//We also test far too much.//
Thats the same thing NJ says so as with most things he says on covid its nonsense. We dont test enough. the disease as Peter Pedant said from his Defoe quotes is spread most by people who have it and either dont realise or dont test or dont reveal there result and carry on as normal. If we tested more perhaps test everyone weekly and enforce isolation we'd cut the spread alot

[bobbinwales]

davidsmall in general there not doing AZ for boosters as its less effective, the science says the others are better for booster's. Oficially there not doing AZ at all for boosters but parsleydumpling I think it was a stold us some places are giving some AZ

[naomi24]

I had the same, David, and was unwell with each for a few days. In fact the booster knocked me off my feet. I could hardly leave my bed the following day but a few days poorly beats dead so I’m happy.

[gness]

Oh I do think you get it really, Nailit. Only those as dim as my sister use your argument against the vaccine... and you really can't be as dim or awkward as my sister. :-)

[tonyav]

I'd sooner take my chances with covid vaccinated than not vaccinated.

[Milo2]

A friend decided not to have the Covid vaccinations. He felt that he was not at risk as he is young and fit. He has recently had Covid and was extremely ill, although not hospitalised. He has now decided to get the vaccine as soon as he is able.

[bobbinwales]

Thanks milo but justa word of caution for your freind, theres some evidence now that after having covid its best to wait sevral months, ma be 6 months before having the jab as the natural immunity from antibodies will protect you so the vaccine may actually confuse the immune system and the vaccinne is best saved until the antibodies start to wear off

[10ClarionSt]

I've never had a test. And won't have one, either. I've never had the Covid app. And won't have that either. It should be disabled and deleted. People should just get on with things and stop flapping around like Corporal Jones.

[gness]

Well, 10C, my dead mum would no doubt be getting on with things had her care home not accepted "Covid free" patients from the local hospital who passed on Covid to staff and residents.

Your head in the sand attitude is so damaging....well it's killing folk.

[New Judge]

//Thats the same thing NJ says so as with most things he says on covid its nonsense. We dont test enough.//

Then rather tell everybody on here, you'd be better off telling most of the other health authorities across Europe, bob. The UK carries out by far and away the highest number of tests per head of population in Europe - up to ten times as many tests than some countries:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/covid-cases-uk-compared-europe-10-times-more-tests-day-rates-1268690

I know you like following what scientists tells us, so here's a quote from Professor Sir Andrew Pollard. He helped create the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine so probably knows a thing or two. He said that increased transmission isn’t the only reason why case numbers have been averaging more than 40,000 a day for over a week – with more than 52,000 cases recorded last Thursday. He said it was true the UK had high case rates but this is “very much related to the amount of testing”, especially in schools. It blindingly obvious that if you test more people you will find more infections. The disease is now endemic in the UK (and across the world) and you can test people for the next five years and beyond and still find high levels of infection.

//If we tested more perhaps test everyone weekly and enforce isolation we'd cut the spread a lot//

Are you for real, bob? The UK is currently carrying out about 6m tests a week and (very roughly) about one in twenty are proving positive. This means around 300,000 people are testing positive (the actual figure last week was 278,000) and have to isolate. You are suggesting increasing that tenfold, meaning around 3m people will be isolating weekly. To what end? The vast majority of these people will not be ill, most of them will have no symptoms at all. You need to move away from this idea that the spread of this disease can be prevented. It cannot. You also need to consider that considerable damage is being done to the (non-Covid) sick and especially to children. A report last week explained that mental illness in children had increased dramatically over the last 18 months. This cannot go on.

Anyway, I'm pleased to learn that the UK government has plans to follow my "nonsense":

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10198985/Operation-Rampdown-Codename-revealed-Government-papers-dismantle-key-Covid-measures-year.html

Operation "Rampdown" should see the end to the ludicrously expensive "Test and Trace" system, an axe on free Covid tests and the removal of the requirement for those testing positive to self-isolate.

Never mind. Peter Pedant will continue to suggest I believe Covid does not exist; he will continue to say I believe it is no worse than 'flu; he will continue to say “…if you are NJ just say crap crap crap it is all crap” (none of which, of course, I have ever said or even suggested, but never mind).

[Atheist]

NJ; I think tests are carried out to enable the quacks to understand what's happening and to enable the powers that be to target their resources to best effect.
NJ; I hope you don't follow the Trump route of blaming high Covid infections on high test rates.