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thank you nailit for a positive example from your own experiences, like i have said , i would most like the opportunity to present the information to her, the fact that there may or may not be a possibility of reinstating the relationship is at the moment a glimmer of a dream. what i do not want is for her always wondering about why it failed and if it was her fault, where in fact it was all mine. i want to be able to express to her how, what and why things happened and give her the chance to decide for herself what to do with that information. if i get as you have, a close friend from this then i am truly lucky, i can not however pretend that i would not wish for more, as that would just be untrue.