Wayne Couzens Should Be Hung For The Cold Blooded Murder Of Sarah Everard

[gollob]

Bring back hanging, why should ratepayers pay to keep him alive for the rest of his life which will cost millions

[johnny.5]

I'm sure the likes of Colin Stagg wouldn't agree

[naomi24]

There is no ‘campaign’ on AB.

[Mamyalynne]

Yes Bobb, even after such a vote the calls would still keep coming.

Still, it won't happen.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // Andy, do you think there's a possibility that Sarah would still be alive if Couzens knew there was a chance he would be executed? //

No because i firmly believe that any and all criminals act without forethought or reasoning - let's face it, if you had the powers of forethought and reasoning, chances are you would not be a criminal in the first place!

I honestly think that all criminals carry out their crimes where they are premeditated, in the firm and certain belief that they are not going to be caught and punished.

Couzens went to considerable trouble and planning to try and ensure he would not be caught, and I am sure he honestly believed he would get away with it.

I have no reason to think that a punishment of potential execution would have altered his thinking one iota - he wasn't going to get caught.

[andy-hughes]

Stickybottle - // In light of ever increasing demands on budgets in the nhs etc it most certainly ought to be a consideration
It is obscene that hundreds of thousands will be wasted on this monster whilst people suffer long waits for treatment
Many get delayed too long and never get the treatment in time and the press has been awash with such stories of late //

I pointed ou in my original post that the argument that money saved on incarcerating a murderer could and would go to something like the NHS is a wonderful idea, but it has no baasis whatsoever in reality - government finances simply don't operate like that.

A rabid dog that attacks and kills is destroyed immediately
It is not put in a secure facility to live out its days //

That is naomi's argument, and it works as long as you are able to see a human life as parallel to a dog's life. I have trouble with that, it appears that she and you do not.

// What a tragic waste of a young woman’s life and an obscene waste of money on the animal that is Couzens
This was not a spur of the moment crime but sickening in its premeditation
He warrants and certainly deserves immediate death //

Honestly, I would not argue, but from the point of view of a civlised society, we do not work on emotional reaxtion, we work on carefully framed and delivered legal process, and we are the better for it.

[Jackdaw33]

In 1957 capital punishment was limited to certain types of murder. Believe it or not, had this case happened in 1961 instead of 2021 he would have not been hanged as this type of murder did not fall into one of the categories.

[ichkeria]

The deterrent argument is almost certainly bogus.
If you get caught for that sort of offence your life is probably over anyway. You face a lifetime in jail in constant physical danger,
Hanging is probably preferable, lethal injection even more so.
Then you’re left with the the moral argument of “a life for a life”.
Or the expense one: which isn’t really serious

[andy-hughes]

ich - // Or the expense one: which isn’t really serious //

But a lot of people think it is.

I would put money on the notion that every single time the question of capital punishment has been debated on this site in the last twenty-plus years, one of more posters have advanced the 'economic benefits' of execution.

[Ellipsis]

We don't not hang him for his sake, but for our sake. Because we're better than that.

[Zacs-Master]

'No because i firmly believe that any and all criminals act without forethought or reasoning'

You're 100% certain that the death penalty wouldn't have put off Couzens then, Andy?

[davebro]

Pierrepoint - our most prolific hangman - concluded that CP was not a deterrent & that it's only purpose was vengeance.

I'll go with vengeance.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // You're 100% certain that the death penalty wouldn't have put off Couzens then, Andy? //

No I'm not, which is a very good reason why I did not say that.

To be that certain, I would have to be in his head, and fortunately, I am not.

I simply put forward the view as my belief about the average criminal mind.

Proof is not available, which is why I did not attempt to pretend that it is.

[andy-hughes]

dave - // Pierrepoint - our most prolific hangman - concluded that CP was not a deterrent & that it's only purpose was vengeance.

I'll go with vengeance. //

I have read Mr Pierrepoint's autobiography in which that view was expressed.

Since he had more direct experience of the situation, I would suggest we should at least consider his view on it.

[Jackdaw33]

Pierrepoint later changed his mind after his autobiography was published. His successor, Harry Allen, had no such qualms, stating that he never lost a night's sleep after a hanging.

[pixie374]

//No because i firmly believe that any and all criminals act without forethought or reasoning - let's face it, if you had the powers of forethought and reasoning, chances are you would not be a criminal in the first place//

Andy, both you and I know, that isn't the case. Some do, work around that.

[naomi24]

//any and all criminals act without forethought and reasoning//?

Are you having a laugh?

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // //No because i firmly believe that any and all criminals act without forethought or reasoning - let's face it, if you had the powers of forethought and reasoning, chances are you would not be a criminal in the first place//

Andy, both you and I know, that isn't the case. Some do, work around that. //

I have been very careful in all my posts not to fall into the trap of offering absolutes, and my qualification of the phrase 'chances are ...' is an example of that.

We are dealing with human nature here - we are all different, we are all motivated individually, no two of us are alike, so of course there are exceptions, which is why, again, I am treading carefully to avoid appearing to be stating a situation as being the hard-and-fast rule, when clearly it is not.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // //any and all criminals act without forethought and reasoning//?

Are you having a laugh? //

Are you addressing me?

I thought you were not interested in debating with me, or what I thought, so I won't bother answering you.

[THECORBYLOON]

"You're 100% certain that the death penalty wouldn't have put off Couzens then, Andy?"

There's no way of knowing in that particular case but since some folk were hanged for murder prior to its being abolished in the UK in 1973, it clearly didn't work as a deterent for them, did it?

[pixie374]

No, many criminals will be well aware, intelligent, and avoiding lengthy sentences.
I don't think hanging is the answer. But I find it odd that we can put animals to sleep... but not humans, without a lot of painful mistakes.