Gay marriages to be made legal.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....gal-Britain-2015.html

/// At present, gays and lesbians are allowed to enter civil partnerships, which offer most of the legal protections of marriage. But the term ‘marriage’ is not used.///

In a time when more important matters should be on politicians minds, why is the term 'Marriage' that important to homosexuals, that politicians find the need to change the law, specially to accommodate them?

[Sqad]

//// as you may never see the world in the shades of grey some of us have learned...but it must be quite nice to have everything so black and white///

Decision makers tend to see the world in black and white, it is the hesitater, the non decision makers that notice the grey.......doc is a decision maker.

[RATTER15]

I dont actually have any same sex relationships in my family that im aware of but if I did, their partners would be just as welcome as any other partner!!

[joggerjayne]

Hey, Rowan ... that handfasting looks a good idea.

(I just Googled it)

[ChuckFickens]

"that handfasting looks a good idea."

I think I must need a new pair of specs :-O

[RATTER15]

"handfasting" Im not sure I want to google it, im a sensitive sort of a guy, my PC would be too shocked!!!

[rowanwitch]

Trust someone to find smut in a sacred commitment

But actually it is a good idea...because if you have the year and a day handfasting first you get to test the bond between you before making a more lasting commitment

And life is mostly about shades of grey and making decisons based on the balance between the best outcome/least wrong and it will never be right for everyone..

[ljg1997]

Just because you may never enter into a same sex ceremony doesn't mean it doesn't affect its about society and equality - what happens when the unjust law does affect you

[RATTER15]

My apologies Rowan! I did just Google it. I love the idea, I know Carakeel will as well, No registrar, no Vicar, No religion, no legalities.

This would actually mean more to me than a marriage ceremony, two people in love making a commitment for no other reason than love and commitment.

We will be getting married next year but I think this Hanfasting could be a very special thing between two people.

[Kromovaracun]

doc:

I'm a little disappointed you seized upon the word 'defect' without reading the rest of my post, as I think it actually deals with pretty much all of your other arguments.

"they all refer to each other as "partner" not husband or wife."

Firstly, believe it or not, this does not just apply to homosexual couples. It's becoming increasingly the case among younger heterosexual couples too. For instance, I was working as a temp in an office for a few weeks just recently - literally every single person I came into conversation with referred to their other halves as 'partners'. Even the ones wearing wedding rings. And no, none of them knew that I'm gay so they weren't trying to 'appease' me in some weird way.

"Fot that reason alone the existing situation should remain, ie, marriage is between a man and a woman, old fashioned but, in my eyes morally sound. "

You have not bothered to respond to my argument that the definition of marriage has changed over time substantially. The reason it has always involved man + woman is that until around the mid-C20, it simply wasn't imagined that relationships could occur among anyone but a man and a woman. We now know this assumption to be false, and historically the definition marriage has changed with circumstances - it lost the link to property, for instance, and is also losing its religious connotations in W. Europe. Why shouldn't in change further in accordance with what we know about human relationships?

"Well Kosmos, that's pretty obvious as homosexuality ony affects men. "

I hope this was a joke, because it makes you look pretty stupid if it wasn't.

[Kromovaracun]

@RH: Kind of reminds me of this protest sign:

http://kaystreet.file...-newt.jpg?w=367&h=496

[LoftyLottie]

Marriage/civil partnerships - gay couples, hetrosexual couples should have the same choices. There should be no difference whatsoever. Full stop.

[LoftyLottie]

One of the dictionary definitions of 'marriage'

"To unite in a close, usually permanent way"

It's not all about religion and begetting and the law!!!!

[anneasquith]

no doubt the law will be changed, as the politicians require the " pink vote "

[LoftyLottie]

So it should be in my opinion Anne.

How are you by the way?

[jackthehat]

That's right.............there are obviously 'so many' of us that we'll make a real difference at election-time............oh, hang on, that's wrong......we're a tiny minority........d'oh, I'm confused, which are we, again?

[anneasquith]

im well LL. not " on " as much, hope all well with you :)

[mightyWBA]

I can't see why anybody shouldn't be allowed to get married...

Nobody deserves to be happy all their life.