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rov1100 | 22:32 Fri 28th Oct 2011 | News
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With hindsight was Jo nieve in allowing Tabak, amost a complete stranger to enter her flat and will it send a warning to vulnerable people of the opposite sex?
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When you're young you think you're indestructible. They are fearless, though why youngsters are out on the streets in the early mornings is quite beyond my comprehension. Though are they any safer on the streets during daylight hours? Those wee girls that Robert Black abducted and killed weren't they all taken in the day time? How many more of his victims are there?
I was having my windscreen replaced the other day and had to have it done under a local overpass because it was raining. The guy form Autoglass was a local lad and he told me that a week earlier he had been there doing a job. He said that a car pulled up a young girl maybe 14/15 and 3 blokes in it. She got out and asked him for a fag. He gave her one and she then offered him oral sex for £10. He said he was happily married with kids and was not interested, she returned to the car spoke to the men, and then said he could have full sex with her, same price but he would have to be quick. He turned her down again, but said it was quite disturbing and scary as he was there on his own and the men could have done anything. Fortunately they just drove off. There are some really sick people out there. Having 2 teenage daughters (14 and 15) hearing this story really scared the C@£$ out of me. My eldest wants to go to college and then Uni as soon as she can, its going to be very worrying for me and her Mum when she does.
I haven't read up on the Robert Black case....but weren't his victims considerably younger?
Leaving aside the "ladies of the night" for a minute (who usually have a pimp or two lurking around the corner for protection) and returning to Tabak - I've no doubt he tricked Jo into letting him into her flat. We only have his version of the evening's events and he's bound to make up a story.

I imagine Tabak realised she was alone and encouraged her to open the door with a reasonably neighbourly type question. Once the door was open he would be inside the flat with no evidence of forced entry; but there's nothing to say the situation wasn't forced from that point onwards except his story.
Ummmm, Black's victims were children of primary school age. The reason I mentioned him was because he had just been convicted here in NI of the murder of a little girl called Jennifer Cardy.
I hope he and Tabak eventually roast in hell.
I barely know my nextdoor neighbour, in fact I can't even think what his name is at the moment but I let him in to help me install a washing line in the garden earlier this year. He did not attempt to strangle me to death.

I started going out in town when I was about 16 and would think nothing of getting plastered and walking the whole way accross town drunk and on my own instead of forking out for a cab (chances are I had blown all my money anyway). I probably wouldn't do that now as I like to think I'm a little more sensible but when you're young you think you're indestructable.

Of course you have to take sensible precautions but you can't spend your life thinking every stranger is planning on how to murder you.
What EvianBaby said. Its important to retain a sense of proportion, amongst all the outrage and revulsion.

The fact that people feel confident enough to stagger around the streets in the small hours says more about peoples own idea of immortality and the fact that generally people feel safe in our society.

It also says a lot about how insular we have become as a society. Compared to life just a few decades ago, we have become very inward looking with very few actively seeking community bonds.I have lived in the same cul-de-sac for around 10 years now, and in all that time, of the 15 or so households around me, I barely know maybe 3.....
this is like the holmes thread where the woman walking home was raped

everyone on here lets a stranger into her/ his property, just because a person has a id card does not make him mother theresa

plastic id cards are easy to make
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And to think she could have saved herself from death if she had used defence mechanisms like kicking him in the crutch with her knee. His sexual fantacies would have disappeared instantly.
>> His sexual fantacies would have disappeared instantly. <<

some people pay for that, so i am led to believe
Tabak was her neighbour as already said, but I don't know how long they had been neighbours.

But if it had been quite a time then they must have been on talking terms, it was Christmas time and Tabak's girlfriend was absent, and Jo's boyfriend was also absent, so maybe she did invite him in for a neighbourly Christmas drink.

It is a shocking sad case, but I can't understand why this particular murder has attracted so much media attention, after all murders are so common place these days unfortunately.

The police however are continuing with their enquiries into Tabak's background, both in the UK and also Holland, who knows he may be found out to be yet another vicious serial killer.
rov, I think perhaps when someone much bigger than you has their hands unexpectedly tightening around your throat, self-defence might slip your mind.

you think he would have just walked/stumbled out of her flat? I don't..
According to the television news, although they were neighbours they didn't know each other - but I can imagine if you were used to seeing someone around, you might invite them in if they knocked at your door to ask you something.
and I suspect that I might think someone was trying to kill me, not that they were living out a sexual fantasy. she fought for her life as best she could.

I find your post offensive to suggest otherwise.
AOG, this case may have attracted media attention because many sections of that media had an innocent man pilloried simply because of the cut of his jib.
Sara, whose post do you find offensive?
I think Rov's flipancy about a kick in the nuts. It really isn't as simple as that....
Oh, right. Thanks ummmm. If only. :o(
Rov's, Naomi.. you got in the way ;o)
I didn't think you were referring to my post Sara. I just didn't know who you were talking to.

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