The man has been charged

[emmie]

the big man who got the student off the train recently has been charged with assault. What do reckon, right or not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gh-east-fife-16288101

[emmie]

so some agree, some don't, I hope when it comes to court it's thrown out as a waste of valuable time and money. If the father wants to bring a private case, then let him, my money is on the big man.

[emmie]

Aberrant, i know, and you can see and hear the ticket inspector asking the student to get off the train repeatedly.

[hc4361]

I've just watched the video again and 'the big man' clearly hauls the youth out of his seat to throw him off.
The youth was at no time aggressive or threatening, although he was foul mouthed and leary.

Charge the conductor with aiding and abetting assault, too.

[emmie]

so being foul mouthed isn't a form of aggression, if someone did that to me, i assume it's in anger, and is aggressive.

[ummmm]

That was going on for a good six minutes before someone started recording it....too testing for many a peoples patience.

[pusskin]

can some one please send me the video of this? I've opened the link but no video on there

[emmie]

the bloke we got off the bus did it for 30 minutes, we were stuck in traffic, and ended up having to listen to this vile tirade of every known swear word and some.

[emmie]

this is part of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlaQRmbBJD4

[hc4361]

Under UK law a person is entitled to use force to protect himself or others from physical attack, not verbal abuse from a leary drunk.

The conductor cannot lawfully physically eject a passenger from a train, nor can a passenger. Provocation is not a defence.

[cathfromsaron]

wronnnnnggg! x

[NOX]

That just pretty much confirms what I thought, unpleasant passenger handled in an unprofessional way by the guard then a big bloke chucks his weight about because he thinks he can- none of that alters my perception of what took place.

[emmie]

then perhaps what he should have done was stopped the train and waited for the police to escort him off the train, holding everyone up all the more. I think that was the reason for the ejection. Everyone was trying to get home, and the student was abusive, so would that have been the right approach, or as happened the conductor agreed to let the passenger eject him. It doesn't sway me i'm afraid, i reckon the big man is in the right, law says otherwise obviously.

[NOX]

so could the guard have not done what guards usually do and not enter into a debate with him in the first place but just called the RP and arranged for him to be removed at the next station? That's what I've always encountered when soemone like that is on the train- it's a no drama approach and doesn't hold people up or risk the situation escalating as this did.

[ABerrant]

No need to stop the train - proper procedure is to call for British Transport Police to be waiting at a station ahead.

[emmie]

Nox, the ticket inspector would be duty bound to ask for his ticket to check, there is nowhere i have travelled that doesn't happen. i have seen countless people asked to leave the train when they would not cooperate.

[pusskin]

Thank you so much em10. much appreciated x

[sp1814]

It's a great shame that Big Man wasn't on that tram in Croydon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpCe6sKb2kM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[emmie]

sp, indeed.

[emmie]

and would the people have been glad, applauded, had he been, i'm sure they would.

[rozia]

its right, he shouldn't have done that, who makes him the law.... you cannot go manhandling people on public transport, (he broke the law himself) whether or not this young man paid his fare, that was for the conductor to deal with, he could have called the police to have him removed at the next stop. Who gives this horrible bloke to intervene and manhandle the young man and take the law into his hands, it made me cringe when i watched this.