The man has been charged

[emmie]

the big man who got the student off the train recently has been charged with assault. What do reckon, right or not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gh-east-fife-16288101

[venator]

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Yobs with no respect for anyone or anything are walking free on the streets, while decent citizens risk having their lives disrupted by silly charges.

The police say one thing and do another -

Speaking at New Scotland Yard, Sir Paul Stephenson, Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said:

How do we at the sharp end, the cops, the CPS, put people out of their misery of worrying about these things?
"Our first response should not be to discourage people from doing it. It should be to applaud their bravery and courage.
"Our first response should be to express gratitude that we have got citizens who would do that thing."

[sandyRoe]

Since the 'big man' incident there has been another much publicised confrontation between a train conductor and passengers without tickets. This time the train conductor was stabbed. If a 'big man' had went to help him would he have been charged or lauded as a public spirited hero?

[emmie]

sandyroe, i mentioned this earlier, and the consensus seems to be that was different, and a one off, which it isn't.

[anotheoldgit]

Completely agree with lcg76's post, it is no wonder that britain is going down the tubes, all thanks to liberal thinkers and their 'let them do as they like' attitude.

There is a complete breakdown in discipline, starting from 'couldn't care less' parents, followed by disciplinary restrictions in schools, this all matures to some growing up to have no respect for law and order.

On AB one has only to note some of the negative remarks made about the police when they have the unenviable job to try and instil law and order.

I am sure some would just like to do as they please, and 'cock a snoot' at any form of restrictions on what they can or cannot do.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Let's stop doing the "what ifs" hypotheticals serve no purpose.///

That is rich coming from someone who introduced 'what ifs' into the debate.

/// 'If' someone had manhandled the racist tram woman off, ///

/// 'what if' the lad had pulled a knife out and stabbed 'Big Man' ///

[Zeuhl]

<<the big man who got the student off the train recently has been charged with assault>>

Good. His use of force was inappropriate and bullying.

The law should prevail over vigilantism and young people who aren't offering violence (even if they are being obnoxious in the way they try to stand up for themselves) should be protected from large bullies who are older than them and should know better than to think they have the right to butt in on business that was between the rail company's agent and another passenger.

[youngmafbog]

Right on Zeuhl

Lets hope when someone does it to you and perhaps pulls a knife no-one comes to your help.

[Gromit]

The main problem is that the rail company have employed a useless idiot who is too old to do his job properly. The student didn't have no ticket or a single ticket. He had the wrong half of a two part ticket. If he had one half, he must have purchased it. He should have applied some common sense and accepted the mistake. he then accepts the assistance of a thug on the train and the student is assaulted. The train company should be sued and a large compensation payment should be sought.

[emmie]

gromit, shame you weren't there, i sincerely hope when anyone travels on a train, bus and this happens that they simply ignore what's going on, like most people in this country.

[McMouse]

Why stop at chucking students off trains? Bring on the vigilanties to patrol. our streets and dish out rough justice all who need it.

[anotheoldgit]

/// a useless idiot who is too old to do his job properly ///

I wonder by Gromit's total disrespect for elder persons, he ever had a Dad or a Grand Father.

[emmie]

no, bring back train guards, who can deal with situations like this. Have Somebody to check tickets, but the guards can keep an eye on potential problems.

[DTCwordfan]

A caution should have been and the matter left at that.

Hopefully the PF nails the little oik.

[tonywiltshire]

It may be the fault of the conductor, why stop everyone getting home because one person does not have the correct ticket? The conductor could have rung ahead and had the student arrested, if he believed he had not paid for a ticket, the Transport Police should have been involved as early as possible.

[emmie]

TW, see earlies posts, as someone pointed out, it doesn't always work out like that.

[tonywiltshire]

Have read them all em, very varied opinions. I still think the incident may have been the fault of the conductor who should have followed the correct procedure.
The Big Man can always plead not guilty and go to the Crown Court, then his peers will decide his guilt or innocence.

[Kromovaracun]

"even if they are being obnoxious in the way they try to stand up for themselves"

Surely that's reason enough to be thrown off? Even if you've done nothing wrong, rail staff have a right not to be abused and the old man plainly couldn't have done it himself.

Also, could you clarify how you know that the student's ticket was the wrong part of a return? In the video, the ticket inspector says it's a single.

[joko]

you keep talking about people rushing to the aid of strangers - or rather not doing - but that is not what happened here at all!

the inspector was in NO DANGER!
he was not being 'saved' or protected or helped by the 'big man'.
he was not being attacked or threatened by the student.
there was just some youth who believed he had a valid ticket, arguing because the jobsworth couldnt accept that fact and was trying to kick him off unfairly - i would have argued too!

still no footage of the student actually threatening this man i see ...??