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Diane Abbott
http://www.politics.c...ter-white-people-jibe
Would be interested to hear what people have to say about this one.
Would be interested to hear what people have to say about this one.
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"I despise her for banging on about comprehensive education, and then sending her children to a private school, seems very two faced, and that's not the only mark against her, but it will do "
Well of course, if you can't stand the woman then that won't help in your ability to assess the question fairly, just as my assessment of Jeremy Clarkson as a n*bhead precludes my ability to do the same in his case, which is one reason I suggested it was interesting to compare the fuss caused by the two cases. People generally rally to their own cause: had JC said that Servicepersons' wives and husbands should have been dragged out and shot the fallout would have come from different sources and might just possibly have got him the sack.
People have different opinions on things - I certainly agree that what Diane Abbott said was silly and I am sure she regrets it, but the devil of it for me is that there are so many ways of expressing an opinion these days in a very public way and once they've been said they can't be "unsaid" even if you can delete stuff from Twitter, it's nothing more than a futile gesture. People still remember what was said, but the medium is made for controversy as we are already seeing. Advising politicians, for example, not to use it is an understandable reaction but probably a futile one. Diane Abbott is I am sure not a racist, but she does have hard-hitting and polemic views on race and occasionally is bound to say things which others will find harsh. Diane Abbott or whoever + twitter or whatever = potential controversy.
Well of course, if you can't stand the woman then that won't help in your ability to assess the question fairly, just as my assessment of Jeremy Clarkson as a n*bhead precludes my ability to do the same in his case, which is one reason I suggested it was interesting to compare the fuss caused by the two cases. People generally rally to their own cause: had JC said that Servicepersons' wives and husbands should have been dragged out and shot the fallout would have come from different sources and might just possibly have got him the sack.
People have different opinions on things - I certainly agree that what Diane Abbott said was silly and I am sure she regrets it, but the devil of it for me is that there are so many ways of expressing an opinion these days in a very public way and once they've been said they can't be "unsaid" even if you can delete stuff from Twitter, it's nothing more than a futile gesture. People still remember what was said, but the medium is made for controversy as we are already seeing. Advising politicians, for example, not to use it is an understandable reaction but probably a futile one. Diane Abbott is I am sure not a racist, but she does have hard-hitting and polemic views on race and occasionally is bound to say things which others will find harsh. Diane Abbott or whoever + twitter or whatever = potential controversy.
She has always been controversial, was she being silly here then?
http://www.guardian.c...006/may/14/uk.labour1
One of her many " silly remarks" I guess but good with upsetting people even way back then!
http://www.guardian.c...006/may/14/uk.labour1
One of her many " silly remarks" I guess but good with upsetting people even way back then!
As I said at the beginning of this thread; I am not a great fan of Dianne Abbot, BUT, she dragged herself up from nowhere, got a university education purely on her own merits, and became an Member of Parliament. I believe she has worked hard for her constituency, for this she surely deserves credit. To the people who say they 'despise' her for giving her children the best chance in life, I say, if you have not had to make compromises with your values at sometime in your life, you are very lucky. Also, when all is said and done, what she said is, historically, absolutely true.
how is this dragging yourself up from nowhere, not exactly a street kid
Abbott was born to Jamaican immigrants in London in 1953. Her father was a welder and her mother a nurse.[5] She attended Harrow County Grammar School for Girls, and then Newnham College, Cambridge, where she read history.[6] At Cambridge, she was tutored by historian Simon Schama.[7] After university she became an administration trainee at the Home Office (1976 to 1978), and then a Race Relations Officer at the National Council for Civil Liberties (1978 to 1980).[8] Abbott was a researcher and reporter at Thames Television from 1980 to 1983 and then a researcher and reporter at the breakfast television company TV-am from 1983 to 1985. Abbott was a press officer at the Greater London Council under Ken Livingstone from 1985 to 1986 and Head of Press and Public Relations at Lambeth Council from 1986 to 1987.[8]
Abbott was born to Jamaican immigrants in London in 1953. Her father was a welder and her mother a nurse.[5] She attended Harrow County Grammar School for Girls, and then Newnham College, Cambridge, where she read history.[6] At Cambridge, she was tutored by historian Simon Schama.[7] After university she became an administration trainee at the Home Office (1976 to 1978), and then a Race Relations Officer at the National Council for Civil Liberties (1978 to 1980).[8] Abbott was a researcher and reporter at Thames Television from 1980 to 1983 and then a researcher and reporter at the breakfast television company TV-am from 1983 to 1985. Abbott was a press officer at the Greater London Council under Ken Livingstone from 1985 to 1986 and Head of Press and Public Relations at Lambeth Council from 1986 to 1987.[8]
she was on the news just now, which showed a previous interview and made reference to david cameron and nick clegg as two white boys running the country, or thereabout, even if you think it, it's not something you should voice, and quite frankly as a politician she's an embarrassment, hypocritical and foolish
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Khandro - She sent her son to a private school despite part of her election platform being the need to support the local schools in Hackney.
She may have compromised her values for the sake of her child (although from her very actions I don't believe she does have the interest of the local schools at heart), but ultimately she sent the message that what is good enough for your child is not good enough for mine.
As an MP who 'championed' her local schools, her actions are patently wrong - it showed breathtaking arrogance and utter contempt for her constituents.
As far as her comments are concerned, I really couldn't give a tinker's cuss what a buffoon like Abbott thinks of white people.
She may have compromised her values for the sake of her child (although from her very actions I don't believe she does have the interest of the local schools at heart), but ultimately she sent the message that what is good enough for your child is not good enough for mine.
As an MP who 'championed' her local schools, her actions are patently wrong - it showed breathtaking arrogance and utter contempt for her constituents.
As far as her comments are concerned, I really couldn't give a tinker's cuss what a buffoon like Abbott thinks of white people.
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