Will Cameron Fall On His Sword To Save His Party?

[pdq1]

After Nigel Farage UKIP met Rupert Murdoch he proposed that if Cameron was to step down UKIP would merge with the Tory Party giving them on paper a huge majority of voters at the next election.

We all know how leading politicians have such a feeling of self worth they hardly ever put their party first ahead of their own ambitions.

[pdq1]

More info:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-willing-to-strike-an-electoral-pact-with-the-tories-if-david-cameron-steps-down-8525616.html

[youngmafbog]

Well it is rather a big assumption thinking that the UKIP voters will go with the Tories. I'm pretty sure I saw analysis of the Eastleigh by election showing UKIP took some from all parties.

And even if that was the case, Cameron would not do the best for his party. Most leaders have to be forced out one way or another.

[ichkeria]

Quite ironic to think that there are Conservative MPs who baulk at having to share power with the Lib Dems and yet see nothing wrong (or cheeky!) about the leader of a Mickey Mouse party with 0 MPs having a cosy chat with a discredit media baron about the possibility of an electoral pact in exchange for a change of leader!!!
An electoral pact between a party with 300+ MPs and one with a round zero ...
Farage's chutzpah is almost funny.

Anyway as a Labour supporter I hope it happens as it really would be curtains for the coalition if so. Clegg would also be finished, along with any chance of another Tory/LibDem coalition for the foreseeable future.
And the Conservative Party might well split, along the lines of Labour around the time of the SDP.
But none of it is going to happen (sigh!)

[jake-the-peg]

I think that would collapse the coalition

A lot of Tories seem to continually forget that they need the Liberals and are living in this little fantasy land where they have a majority.


If that happened the new leader would be leading a minority government, they'd presumably try and pass some sort of EU referendum bill which would almost certainly fail with Labour and Liberal opposition and they'd also be stuck without the means to guarantee any of their other legislative program.

UKIP has no MPs - it might be able to deliver votes but they can't help the Tories in Parliament

I can't see any serious Tory Party contender wanting to step in and lead a minority government in that way - from their perspective it would be much better to let Cameron move aside after losing the election and take the time to build his or her own empire.

[anotheoldgit]

/// leader of a Mickey Mouse party with 0 MPs having a cosy chat with a discredit media baron ///

/// Farage's chutzpah is almost funny. ///

Isn't it amazing that some Labour party supporters, cannot conduct a debate without the need to use expletives and other abusive comments?

And then they have the cheek to call the Conservatives the 'nasty party'.

But to get back to the subject in hand, yes it would be a good thing for Cameron to step down because he isn't a true Tory, but that is never going to happen, we can only hope that some of the more ardent Tories will get together and declare a vote of non confidence against him.

But this has got to happen well before the next election, and then if they can forge some form of partnership with UKIP and move towards getting us out of Europe, so much the better

[Noth43]

Amen to that AOG

[Zeuhl]

/expletives and other abusive comments/

so where are they aog?

/// leader of a Mickey Mouse party with 0 MPs having a cosy chat with a discredit media baron ///

/// Farage's chutzpah is almost funny. ///

'mickey mouse' might be viewed as derogatory but hardly 'abusive'

and no expletives ('exclamation or oath, especially one that is profane, vulgar, or obscene.') as far as i can see.

Oh I get it now!

You were referring to the use of the abusive expletive: 'Farage'

Would any other ABers care to suggest definitions for that abusive term?

[emmie]

no why would he.

[AB Editor]

But AOG, Farage's chutzpah is funny!

Did you catch the line from Eastleigh where he claimed the Tories had split their vote? He's much more likeable these days because of little jabs like this - he also seems to have, for the most part, stopped a number of his party members from foaming at the mouth.

They're becoming worryingly legitimized in my view.

"But to get back to the subject in hand, yes it would be a good thing for Cameron to step down because he isn't a true Tory, but that is never going to happen, we can only hope that some of the more ardent Tories will get together and declare a vote of non confidence against him."

I don't know if he's not a "true" Tory - but I would welcome a world where the anti-eu and anti-immigration members (from all parties) could form their own, new, party (or join up with UKIP). It would see an end of the Tories being hamstrung by a few people who don't like smelly cheese or easy kabanos access :)

[pdq1]

I agree that Cameron must stand down before the next election so that voters can form an opinion before going to the ballet box. He has a way of putting things off as witnessed by the EU vote (in or out) until he gets re-elected. He reminds me of Blair who wouldn't step down sooner because he said he had a mandate to continue as PM. Cameron will trot out the same excuse until he is dragged out screaming by the men in grey suits. And then it will be too late.

[emmie]

i like smelly cheese, but don't care for the EU, not as it currently stands. Kabanos are nice with some chunky break and Buffalo Mozzarella

[emmie]

so if he steps down, who firstly will replace him, second won't this destabilise the Tories all the more and give fuel to the Labour party, oh look Cameron's gone, aren't they weak, ad nauseam

[AB Editor]

"I like smelly cheese, but don't care for the EU, not as it currently stands. Kabanos are nice with some chunky break and Buffalo Mozzarella"

I'd like reform too. I think it is a vaguely undemocratic proposition at the moment. But I think this requires us sticking our arm in up to the elbow, rather than coyly playing with our petticoats at the edges.

Wouldn't we all like to see a more anglocised Europe?

Then again, I'd like a bit of lords reform too. But they cocked that up, sadly.

And finally, I quite fancy some kabanos now, or chorizo cooked up in red wine and some chunky bread.

[AB Editor]

And to answer the original question: "Will Cameron Fall On His Sword To Save His Party?"

No, course not. I'm not sure why anyone thinks he can be swayed by such threats from a party with no political hold in parliament!

[Noth43]

That's why it need to happen sooner rather than later, with plenty of time before the next general election. Anyway, it's not going to happen...shame.
As far as immigration goes, wait until you see your town, community, your livelihood and then future job prospects adversely affected and then see what view you have.

[albaqwerty]

Ed, remember your diet!!

sorry not appropriate for this thread.

Sometimes I wish voting in the UK was compulsory, then a better first past the post system would be valid imo.
However, whilst this democracy is not perfect, it'll do me.

[emmie]

no of course he won't, nor should he, there is no one currently in the Tory party to replace him,

[emmie]

Noth, you obviously don't live in the capital, time for lunch i reckon

[emmie]

didn't the lib dems scotch the boundary changes that had been proposed which would have made it fairer all round in voting.

[anotheoldgit]

AB Editor

No longer sitting independently on the fence I see Ed, are you at last 'coming out' and declaring which side of the political fence you are sitting on? :0)