Queue Here To Work In The Uk.....

[trt]

For NHS Midwifes, Bar-staff, fast-food-firms and Butchers etc.

I know its the Daily Mail but the recruitment notices look real.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483807/Queue-work-Britain-NHS-fast-food-firms-hotel-chains-recruit-cheap-labour-Romania.html

[bednobs]

BEST ANSWER FOR SQAD :)

[anneasquith]

' it takes at least 5 years to train as a midwife ' ?

[trt]

##Of course you can compare them. It might be a different set of skills but it skills nonetheless##...

You don't usually get life threatening incidents when laying bricks, unless you fall of the scaffolding, but giving birth can have allsorts of complications!!

##"They will be trained to English standards".......you hope.##

And there are lots here now, who are not!!

[bednobs]

if you do diect entry, it takes 3-4 year. If you train as a nurse first, more like 5-6

[emmie]

Eddie how do you know they are trained to UK standards, going on some of the jokers i have come across in the NHS, council, their standard of English was poor at best, accents so heavy they couldn't be understood, it's odd to me that we have all these young people in Britain who are looking for jobs, and i do believe they are, yet we are recruiting overseas for workers, doesn't make sense.

[trt]

What a coincidence Sqad, ummmm & bednobs, just read this!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483498/Hundreds-women-aborted-perfectly-healthy-babies-NHS-staff-major-teaching-hospital-routinely-failed-make-vital-checks.html

[bednobs]

i don't get how that is remotely relevant - midwives don't do scans

[emmie]

so this is what is expected of foreign midwives, or do they have their own way of teaching midwifery.

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/midwifery/training-to-be-a-midwife/

[EDDIE51]

emmie they are only recruiting in Romania because the training is to the same standard as in the UK. The only problem is language and it takes a lot less time to train someone to understand enough English to be a midwife than it does to train someone from scratch. A midwife has to know far less English for example a doctor. You can always put an interpreter in if there is a communication problem.
There are literally 10,000s of jobs available all over the UK at the minimum wage of £6.18 an hour but very few UK nationals are prepared to take them.
I used to be an industrial chemist on over £40,000 a year until I got made redundant at the age of 57, now I work as an assistant in a care home or as a kitchen porter (washer up) for £6.18 an hour because I would rather work than claim benefit , but there are few that share my view

[EDDIE51]

Yes emmie that is just how the foreign midwives are trained exactly the same as in the UK. But we have been doing very little training recently as the qualified midwives are so busy they do not have time to train new recruits as well as do their job.
Short-sighted 'yes' but that is how the NHS spending cuts work , ''look for the cheapest alternative'' ( which happens to be recruit from outside he UK)
Possibly you have a better solution to the problem?

[emmie]

i just want to to know how you know the same training is given in Romania, if so why are they not working there? if you take some of the countries work force who is going to do the jobs there, like midwives, doctors, and i disagree about the language, that is something that should be at the top of the list, as well as comparable skills to that advocated by the professional midwives association. You may be right about some don't want to take some of these low paid jobs, however some of those who do come here and take them will be on much better money than they can earn in their own countries, and that they don't necessarily have mortages, rent singly in UK, nor have their families here, but perhaps back home where the living standards are somewhat lower. Can afford to live for a time with others and save some cash to send home.

[emmie]

recruit here, have incentives, because once those jobs are filled with foreign workers, then how is the Brit supposed to get a look in.

[emmie]

this is from this year. if there are not enough places for those taken on, trained or training, how can they be taking on foreign workers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22113693

[ummmm]

trt - what's your point?

An English doctor prescribed my baby a dangerous dose of medicine. It was the pharmacist that realised.

An English doctor misdiagnosed my uncle which very nearly cost him his life.....

What's your point? Because it's not just foreigners that make mistakes...

[emmie]

Eddie please read the link i have provided, it gives more information on this so called shortage. If there are not places for them, the trusts cannot afford to take them on, why oh why are they recruiting overseas.

[emmie]

but if the doctor, nurse has a poor command of the language and i have come across some, that means the patients are the ones to suffer, wrong medication, being able to pass on the needs of the patient coherently
is a key tenet of a trained nurse, doctor.

[EDDIE51]

emmie their is disagreement over numbers but your link ends by saying ''there are still 5,000 vacancies for midwives'' the problem is the vacancies are not in the most popular places to live for UK nationals .
'immigrant' midwifes are happy to go where ever they can find work. The majority of 'immigrant workers' just want to earn some decent money for a few years before returning home.

[emmie]

i would think most want to work in a city, i.e London, Manchester, Brum,
if they live in the sticks how do they get around, and wages may well be lower...

[emmie]

from the BBC link - so they get the training but not a place?


Susie told the deputy prime minister on his weekly Call Clegg programme, on LBC, that there were 45 students training with her but they calculated there were jobs in nearby trusts for only 20 of them.

[EDDIE51]

Yes emmie it says there jobs in 'NEARBY' trusts for only 25 of them ! so there are jobs but they will have to move to where the jobs are , as said not popular with established UK nationals but an incomer from the EU will just goes to where the jobs are it is all the same to them.