Queue Here To Work In The Uk.....

[trt]

For NHS Midwifes, Bar-staff, fast-food-firms and Butchers etc.

I know its the Daily Mail but the recruitment notices look real.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483807/Queue-work-Britain-NHS-fast-food-firms-hotel-chains-recruit-cheap-labour-Romania.html

[emmie]

if you say so, but i reckon this idea of recruiting more people into UK whilst we have many unemployed is foolish. They need places to stay, hospital, doctor treatment, schools if they have children. All services in UK are under pressure, the idea of many more people and it's not just about the recruitment of midwives, coming into UK just seems strange.

[bednobs]

if i were having a baby, i think i would prefer there was a midwife, no matter what nationality rather than no-one

[mikey4444]

So emmie, why aren't all our unemployed getting off their ars*s and working in the jobs that these foreigners are getting ?

Lots of hot air has been expended here today about Midwives, but in trt's original post, from the DM, much is made of fast food firms and hotel chains. These jobs don't require 3 or 4 years training. The Job Centres fall over themselves to encourage dole bludgers to go into training...why are they still on the dole ?

[emmie]

yes, but one who speaks the language and can tell you if it's a boy or girl, provided you don't know already, in English. Sorry i am sick to death of trying to translate the words of the the council workers, and some hospital workers i have come across recently who were difficult to understand.

[mikey4444]

By the way emmie, these foreign workers will be paying tax, something that the dole bludgers don't feel any need to do.

[emmie]

have you ever been to a dole office, first off it's a job centre, and your chance of getting a job through them is slim to nothing. Go there and see for yourself.

[ummmm]

Em...would you expect an unemployed midwife to uproot their family to move where the jobs are?

[emmie]

how many foreigners who are bludging off the British state, those who came here for a little while, got a job, lost it, then were entitled to claim, you should go to the same job centres, not just British slobs there, sure that you go to the job centre regularly to see, back up your views, claims.

[rosamundjohn]

No way

[boxtops]

They're real adverts all right - one of my colleagues has just recruited a pile of student nurses from the Philippines.

[emmie]

ummm, if they had to, if council tenants are being asked to downsize, move out of their places, areas, away from family, friends, then getting a job might mean having to move. Surely that is what foreign workers are doing, coming here take a job, so uprooting themselves from their families, or they could, and do bring them too.

[emmie]

so you are effectively saying that the so called unemployed midwife can't move to find work, yet the foreign midwife could, that doesn't make sense. they are coming a lot longer way than those born here, surely?

[boxtops]

I know one reason why there are less trained professionals in the NHS - the NHS can't afford it. The number of places for new nursing students this September was down, and the salary support they get while they are training is a lot less than it used to be. The NHS employers can only sponsor or second what they can afford to do - and with funding cut all over the place, they just can't always release untrained staff to study for two years.

[emmie]

the link i provided said they are being trained, but it's the trusts who are saying they can't afford to take them on, so why if that is the case would they be recruiting midwives from overseas.

[emmie]

boxy it proves my point, the hospitals, trusts are cutting back, so why the recruiting drive, makes no sense. If British midwives are trained and there are no jobs for them, why take on foreign imports.

[boxtops]

Different Trusts have different levels of funding for different services - and quite possibly, not enough students are coming forward with the right qualifications to join the midwifery training course in the first place. The Universities can only take eligible students, and now that nursing is degree level, the entry requirements are higher than they used to be when it was a diploma-level qualification.

[boxtops]

..... and you also need to look at the demographics and the future workforce planning. A very large portion of the skilled nursing workforce are over 45 - part-time - planning their retirements.

[ummmm]

There is a difference Em. For us it was come to England and work or stay home and go hungry.

You have to know the circumstances that make them up and leave...

[FredPuli43]

Emmie, is your argument that we should not import foreign labour because it only works briefly and then goes on the dole ? No idea whether any figures back that up , but it doesn't answer the question: why have they got jobs at all ? Why aren't British unemployed doing them, so the jobs were filled and no foreign workers would either be needed or come to fill them?

[boxtops]

Fred - one answer could be because the indigenous unemployed don't have the correct basic qualifications (e.g. for nursing and midwifery) to get on the courses in the first place.