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Increase In Racial Prejudice
The latest results from the British Social Attitudes survey reports that racial prejudice is on the increase in Britain :::
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Details from the BSA survey here ::
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What do we all think of this worrying trend ?
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Details from the BSA survey here ::
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What do we all think of this worrying trend ?
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I don't think it's true that wealthier people (always) live in areas with lower immigration, but I do agree that people with higher levels of education tend to go into skilled areas of the economy - which have always been much better at absorbing immigration. Low-skill jobs in Britain have been in decline for a very long time now, to an extent that they are...
08:54 Wed 28th May 2014
The survey of more than 2,000 people revealed that prejudice had risen since an all-time low of 25% of people in 2001.
It also found wide variations currently across the country: 16% of people in inner London admitted to prejudice but the figure was 35% in the West Midlands.
Am I right in thinking that from that survey
One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced'
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It also found wide variations currently across the country: 16% of people in inner London admitted to prejudice but the figure was 35% in the West Midlands.
Am I right in thinking that from that survey
One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced'
?
The conversation has moved on a bit since I last posted, but I'd like to put this in. From an article in the Times about Elena Baltacha, the Ukrainian born, British tennis player.
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It is worth stating, if only in passing, that this work ethic and love of Britain are the norm among eastern European immigrants. This truth has, at times in recent weeks, been obscured by the focus on a tiny number of Romanians involved with criminal gangs. One study found that eastern European immigrants contributed 37 per cent more in taxes than the cost of public services they consumed. Baltacha was, in that sense, representative of a demographic that, according to many testimonies over recent days, has come to feel rather embattled.
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It is worth stating, if only in passing, that this work ethic and love of Britain are the norm among eastern European immigrants. This truth has, at times in recent weeks, been obscured by the focus on a tiny number of Romanians involved with criminal gangs. One study found that eastern European immigrants contributed 37 per cent more in taxes than the cost of public services they consumed. Baltacha was, in that sense, representative of a demographic that, according to many testimonies over recent days, has come to feel rather embattled.
there has been a rise in anti semitic crime across greater manchester
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Naomi, where to start really? Virtually nothing you stated in your initial alarmist, hysterical post is true and I'm frankly so angry that someone who appears to be well educated can hold such xenophobic opinions. People like you will hand Europe to the far right and smugly think you are doing everyone a favour when actually you are destroying the very fabric of that which you seek to preserve.
Mikey, //racism seems to more on the increase amongst the less-well educated and unskilled, as well as older people. If immigration really is one of the main causes, does anyone have any idea why it isn't even throughout the age, education, and skill level ranges ?//
The more educated are usually wealthier, they live outside areas with a high immigrant population, and therefore they aren’t physically affected by the more negative results of mass immigration. I imagine the less well educated and unskilled see all I mentioned and wonder why they’re bothering to work for a low wage when they can’t afford decent housing and they can’t afford to have children, but all around them they see people who have done nothing to contribute to the public purse saying what they like, being housed, and spawning all the kids they want with impunity. The older people remember life before mass immigration and now see the country they were once proud of being systematically eroded and replaced by cultures that are completely alien to them – but they’re not allowed to say so. I think it’s pretty galling for both sections of the community.
kvalidir, A curiously wonky observation. Thank you for that.
The more educated are usually wealthier, they live outside areas with a high immigrant population, and therefore they aren’t physically affected by the more negative results of mass immigration. I imagine the less well educated and unskilled see all I mentioned and wonder why they’re bothering to work for a low wage when they can’t afford decent housing and they can’t afford to have children, but all around them they see people who have done nothing to contribute to the public purse saying what they like, being housed, and spawning all the kids they want with impunity. The older people remember life before mass immigration and now see the country they were once proud of being systematically eroded and replaced by cultures that are completely alien to them – but they’re not allowed to say so. I think it’s pretty galling for both sections of the community.
kvalidir, A curiously wonky observation. Thank you for that.
I don't think it's true that wealthier people (always) live in areas with lower immigration, but I do agree that people with higher levels of education tend to go into skilled areas of the economy - which have always been much better at absorbing immigration.
Low-skill jobs in Britain have been in decline for a very long time now, to an extent that they are (perversely) extremely competitive. People who rely on low-skill jobs are more likely to have lost a job which they desperately need to someone they (rightly or wrongly) believe is an outsider. Especially since the economy stopped growing - which despite what the government keeps saying has not improved much.
It's also refreshing to see a caveat in Mikey's link that describes the difficulties of researching racial prejudice and asks whether it is truly measurable. It's interesting that the number of people identifying themselves as racially prejudiced has increased, but it might be that those some people a decade ago would hold the same views, but simply not identify themselves.
Low-skill jobs in Britain have been in decline for a very long time now, to an extent that they are (perversely) extremely competitive. People who rely on low-skill jobs are more likely to have lost a job which they desperately need to someone they (rightly or wrongly) believe is an outsider. Especially since the economy stopped growing - which despite what the government keeps saying has not improved much.
It's also refreshing to see a caveat in Mikey's link that describes the difficulties of researching racial prejudice and asks whether it is truly measurable. It's interesting that the number of people identifying themselves as racially prejudiced has increased, but it might be that those some people a decade ago would hold the same views, but simply not identify themselves.
Education,presumably you refer to the various cultures that people migrating to this country and British people learning to live side by side with them.I would not consider myself to be racist but when to we used to visit son in Birmingham when at university we'd go to the Bullring and would see group's of Asian youths milling around although probably quite innocently they always make one feel uneasy.
kvalidir, I don’t resort to certain words because I’m ‘stumped’. I say what I mean. Mikey asks why there is an increase in racial prejudice – I told him why I think that is happening. You, on the other hand, declined to attempt to answer the question, opting instead to tell me amongst other things that I am xenophobic – and that really is not worthy of a considered response.
Mikey, not really. I think the perception of fairness – and that people have become second-class citizens in their own country - is the real issue here. If you ask people what they think the problems are, you have to accept the answers you get - however unpalatable.
Got to dash. Bye for now.
Mikey, not really. I think the perception of fairness – and that people have become second-class citizens in their own country - is the real issue here. If you ask people what they think the problems are, you have to accept the answers you get - however unpalatable.
Got to dash. Bye for now.
Not surprised at all about this and well said Naomi, once again the voice of common sense. IMHO racism stirs because peoples of different cultures are "forced" to live together, doubt it's ever been any different from day one. Look at USA in the 50's (brought on by themselves brought on no doubt by the horrendous enslavement of people years before). Every race can be racist without a doubt and living alongside different cultures/races rarely works out well IMO and engenders racism as far as I can see.
I don't think it's down to white Brits only to be racist- I've seen racism from all colours and nationalities and it's all equally repellent. I do though think we should have a zero tolerance of it from ANYONE. So the 'I don't want to live next to a Romanian ' brigade, the ' I want to force my daughter to marry a Muslim in Pakistan because her white boyfriend isn't good enough' brigade, the 'your child isn't black enough to be accepted as black because his mother is white' brigade, ALL of them should be brought sharply into line. This isn't a game, this is the future of a multi-cultural society at stake, and the problem needs addressing now before it gets any worse.
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