Victory For Common Sense?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35912227

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512665/When-ve-got-Woman-caught-short-Newcastle-City-centre-relieves-river.html

[Mamyalynne]

Right.

[jackthehat]

Well, it may not be pretty but at least she's solved the problem of accidentally piddling on your knickers..... :o)

[sp1814]

divebuddy

What? Are most transgendered people gay?

[jim360]

While I can appreciate that people may *feel* threatened if someone of the opposite sex walks into their toilet, such people have to go to the loo somewhere, right? How would men feel if someone who was outwardly a woman walked into their loo? Or, for that matter, what about all the gay men and women who have been in toilets along with other men/ women, and done absolutely nothing about it? I don't see that we should be legislating against perceived threats when no actual threat exists -- at least none that I'm aware of. So far as I'm aware, the threat of someone perving in the toilets has only been a hypothetical danger and never an actual one.

[naomi24]

No threat. Just not comfortable with men (however they’re dressed) using women’s toilets. Call me old fashioned.

[jim360]

I don't think it's totally unreasonable to feel uncomfortable, I just don't think it's enough cause to provide grounds for legislating against it. Transpeople also need to go to the loo from time to time, and unless you are arguing for a third bathroom ("other"?), at least one person might feel uncomfortable whichever toilets they walk into.

[viv41]

You're 'old fashioned' naomi - (only joking) x

[naomi24]

viv, there are some things I'm happy to be old fashioned about. ;o)

Jim, //at least one person might feel uncomfortable whichever toilets they walk into. //

At the risk of sounding uncaring, I don't see why their problem should create a problem for anyone else.

[jackthehat]

I walk into the Ladies locate a cubicle, do the necessary, wash my hands and leave.
I don't give any other women a second glance even if they do have suspiciously big hands....:o)

I'm not quite sure what the issue is, to be honest.

[jim360]

Does "everyone else" really feel uncomfortable? And if so, what is the alternate solution, given that men might well feel equally threatened if a 'woman' (at least in outward appearance) walked into their toilets? You would need a third, fourth, or even higher set of toilets to cater for everything, presumably.

[naomi24]

Jim, I didn't say 'everyone else'. I said anyone else. Some people might be comfortable with it, which is fine for them, but I'm not.

[mikey4444]

Yes of course TTT...bigotry is never right.

[jim360]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the last bit, so I'll leave that for now. As to the first... yes, possibly, but again, the same problem will still emerge that whichever toilet they walk into risks causing discomfort to its other occupants by that logic. On the face of it, the most sensible place to go is the one where you look like you belong, at least at first glance.

[Mamyalynne]

I agree with your last point Jim , if a person attired as a female walked in then I wouldn't bat an eyelid - if a man in a business suit walked in I may be taken aback but that is simply because the Gents are next door.

I still wouldn't make a fuss , unless he peed in the sink of course.

[naomi24]

Jim, who are you talking to when you say you don't understand the last bit? Divebuddy, Mikey, or me?

[whiskeryron]

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divebuddy
Mamyalynne. Why do we bother to have separate male/female toilets at all then. Make 'em all unisex. // I cannot get my head round the business of sex segregation in toilets & rest rooms. We have loads of different visitors at home & of course they all visit the toilets which are non segregationist. Is it not a fact that if all public toilets were unisex governments & councils would save a whole bunch of money ?