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Massive Demonstration Taking Place In Westminster By Young Remainers.
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I've just put Ch4 News on and there does seem to be rather a lot of people protesting. Don't they understand democracy?
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13:35 Wed 29th Jun 2016
"dont you understand the feelings of alienation of a generation that will in the end be paying your pension ?"
No, because it is irrational. Any feelings of alienation is down to their internal mental state and has no real cause in the external world. They are simply reacting inappropriately, and I don't think science understand that fully yet.
They will be able to pay taxes for welfare (including pensions) in a free country because the vote didn't go with the idealistic beliefs common to their generation. They seem unable to accept this; but in fairness they are still student age and so those participating most likely have yet to learn appropriate behaviour in this type of situation. We have to give them a little leeway.
No, because it is irrational. Any feelings of alienation is down to their internal mental state and has no real cause in the external world. They are simply reacting inappropriately, and I don't think science understand that fully yet.
They will be able to pay taxes for welfare (including pensions) in a free country because the vote didn't go with the idealistic beliefs common to their generation. They seem unable to accept this; but in fairness they are still student age and so those participating most likely have yet to learn appropriate behaviour in this type of situation. We have to give them a little leeway.
“dont you understand the feelings of alienation of a generation that will in the end be paying your pension ?”
Nobody will be paying my pension, Peter. I’ve paid for my occupational pension through contributions made by both me and my employer. I’ve paid for my State pension through tax and NI contributions made again by me and my employer. The administrators of my occupational pension scheme invested the cash on my behalf in readiness for when I want it. Unfortunately the State squandered my pension money and are now having to appropriate money from current contributors to pay pensions (in the form of a giant Ponzi scheme). But that’s scarcely my fault.
I saw the “demonstration” on the news. A few hundred ne’erdowells in one corner of Trafalgar Square in the rain with obviously nothing useful to do. They’ll thank the Brexiteers when they grow up and realise that they don’t need to allow themselves to be bullied by foreigners. I have felt alienated for the last twenty five years because I felt we should have had a referendum before the EU was formed in 1992. My views have been continually dismissed along with the usual accompanying insults. But I’ve managed to live with it without taking to the streets at the first sign of something I disagreed with.
Nobody will be paying my pension, Peter. I’ve paid for my occupational pension through contributions made by both me and my employer. I’ve paid for my State pension through tax and NI contributions made again by me and my employer. The administrators of my occupational pension scheme invested the cash on my behalf in readiness for when I want it. Unfortunately the State squandered my pension money and are now having to appropriate money from current contributors to pay pensions (in the form of a giant Ponzi scheme). But that’s scarcely my fault.
I saw the “demonstration” on the news. A few hundred ne’erdowells in one corner of Trafalgar Square in the rain with obviously nothing useful to do. They’ll thank the Brexiteers when they grow up and realise that they don’t need to allow themselves to be bullied by foreigners. I have felt alienated for the last twenty five years because I felt we should have had a referendum before the EU was formed in 1992. My views have been continually dismissed along with the usual accompanying insults. But I’ve managed to live with it without taking to the streets at the first sign of something I disagreed with.
One has a right to demonstrate but depending on what you are demonstrating against, folk will either think you are exercising a right or getting into a strop.
Worth recalling this is not them calling out for parliament to consider something that needs to be changed but is presently being ignored; but it is simply a protest that the majority in the country didn't agree with their view.
A bit like the tale of the boy who called wolf, they risk not being taken seriously in the future; who can take someone seriously when this 'poor me I lost the vote' thing is what they turn out for ?
Worth recalling this is not them calling out for parliament to consider something that needs to be changed but is presently being ignored; but it is simply a protest that the majority in the country didn't agree with their view.
A bit like the tale of the boy who called wolf, they risk not being taken seriously in the future; who can take someone seriously when this 'poor me I lost the vote' thing is what they turn out for ?
//I feel my future has been decided by those that have lived their lives.//
I slay actually wrote that. She has such "value for her own selfish neck, but none for the people who have financed and paid into the wicked pyramid scheme since its inception. If there was ever a post anywhere that highlights better, the mean and self centred "younger" generations that have been spawned by the twisted regime, could you point it out to me. The EUSSR is still there, feel free to join them and have your twisted dreams come horribly true. But be assured they have been banished to the British recycle bin.
I slay actually wrote that. She has such "value for her own selfish neck, but none for the people who have financed and paid into the wicked pyramid scheme since its inception. If there was ever a post anywhere that highlights better, the mean and self centred "younger" generations that have been spawned by the twisted regime, could you point it out to me. The EUSSR is still there, feel free to join them and have your twisted dreams come horribly true. But be assured they have been banished to the British recycle bin.
“I feel my future has been decided by those that have lived their lives.”
I asked this question during the campaign when the issue was mentioned. I received no satisfactory answer so I’ll ask it again: just how do you propose this perceived injustice is settled? A cut off age for voting, perhaps (if so, what age)? A “weighting” system, perhaps beginning at 2.0 for 18-25 year olds reducing to zero for those whom you believe have no right to vote? What about younger people who have a terminal illness? No vote for them?
Your future has been decided by 52% of those who voted, Islay. How old they were or where they lived is of no consequence. When you grow up you will understand that you cannot always get your own way. That is particularly so when it comes to voting. Accept the result (as most people seem to have done) and get on with what will undoubtedly be a much more prosperous life once we are freed from the shackles of a moribund, shrinking, inept and corrupt organisation.
I asked this question during the campaign when the issue was mentioned. I received no satisfactory answer so I’ll ask it again: just how do you propose this perceived injustice is settled? A cut off age for voting, perhaps (if so, what age)? A “weighting” system, perhaps beginning at 2.0 for 18-25 year olds reducing to zero for those whom you believe have no right to vote? What about younger people who have a terminal illness? No vote for them?
Your future has been decided by 52% of those who voted, Islay. How old they were or where they lived is of no consequence. When you grow up you will understand that you cannot always get your own way. That is particularly so when it comes to voting. Accept the result (as most people seem to have done) and get on with what will undoubtedly be a much more prosperous life once we are freed from the shackles of a moribund, shrinking, inept and corrupt organisation.
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If every 18-24 year old that had voted Remain had persuaded one non-voting youngster to vote Remain I am still not sure the result would have changed. They are entitled to show disappointment and press for the negotiators to take their concerns into account in negotiating terms, but they cannot expect the result to be overturned
// I’ve paid for my State pension through tax and NI contributions made again by me and my employer.//
not quite
these are pay as you go schemes
so your contributions for 2007-8 went into the pockets of the then pensioners
and govts a-r-s-e around with pensions ?
yes I am afraid I am in receipt of one where the augment has just gone from RPI ( higher ) to CPI ( lower )
not quite
these are pay as you go schemes
so your contributions for 2007-8 went into the pockets of the then pensioners
and govts a-r-s-e around with pensions ?
yes I am afraid I am in receipt of one where the augment has just gone from RPI ( higher ) to CPI ( lower )
NJ: "Accept the result (as most people seem to have done) and get on with what will undoubtedly be a much more prosperous life once we are freed from the shackles of a moribund, shrinking, inept and corrupt organisation."
It's possible to accept the former without the latter. It stands to reason that those who argued passionately for Remain still think they were right to do so. We simply don't believe that the future we are now stuck with is going to be nearly as prosperous as you do; or that it will be any better than what we would have had from within the EU.
Stop pretending that accepting defeat in a vote means having to withdraw any belief in our position. In the long run, we have to make this future work, but there's no obligation to be happy about it.
It's possible to accept the former without the latter. It stands to reason that those who argued passionately for Remain still think they were right to do so. We simply don't believe that the future we are now stuck with is going to be nearly as prosperous as you do; or that it will be any better than what we would have had from within the EU.
Stop pretending that accepting defeat in a vote means having to withdraw any belief in our position. In the long run, we have to make this future work, but there's no obligation to be happy about it.
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