Brexit Won't Happen Before Scotland's Views Are Considered

[Zacs-Master]

What do we think May's tactics are here?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/theresa-may-flies-to-edinburgh-to-tell-scots-that-she-believes-w/

[exarmy448]

If Scotland doesn't like the result of a Democratic vote then let them go their own way, and good riddance. Perhaps if there is another vote by Scotland resulting in favour of Independence the rest of the Union could object and block it. How would they like that?

[Gromit]

Article 50 will not be invoked for years. Mainly because the Brexiters had no real plan of how to extracate us from the EU, and what comes after.
May has to work out the detail and that will take time. She also has to have a Plan B of who to blame if, when all the details are worked out, it is deemed a bad move to actually leave.
This announcement that Scotland has to agree has a twin motive. It will slow down Article 50 being invoked, and also sets Sturgeon up as the villian, if it never is.

[ichkeria]

They cannot be ignored because apart from anything else they may cause huge problems if not considered. That is the reality.
Personally I'd rather a United Kingdom in the EU than a divided British Isles. Scotland and N Ireland, the former more recently, have become increasingly politically estranged from England and Wales and forcing through Brexit would cause a crisis that I think the union would not survive. The fact that do many people south and east of those borders seem unwilling to face that fact I believe confirms the believe, certainly in the island of Ireland, that Brexit was really a sort of English nationalist idea, ilk thought through as to the consequences

[mikey4444]

Zacs....but Scotland cannot exist out of Britain as an independent nation !

Otherwise I would agree with you !

[Zacs-Master]

Seems sensible Gromit.

[Zacs-Master]

Mikey.....would,you like to do some research on that and come back?

[anneasquith]

Quite right , tell the first minister of Scotland what to do. I'm sure your views are important to her :-)

[dannyk13]

I don't think Theresa May is going to leave herself open to being called the PM who went back on her promises

[Zacs-Master]

They obviously are, otherwise why have the meeting in the first place and appear to be so overjoyed afterwards?

[Zacs-Master]

Danny, name me one recent PM who hasn't gone back on a promis at some point.

[ichkeria]

Mikey: how about this scenario; a federated Scotland, N Ireland and Republic of Ireland, independent if England and Wales, and nurtured with huge EU subsidies as an example to the rest :-)
I only mention it as a crazy idea :-)
The EU protectorate of Sculster, Munster, Leinster and Connacht (!)

[ichkeria]

May said : Brexit means Brexit: which is meaningless because no one really knows what it means beyond the actual word :-)

[dannyk13]

ZM,agreed but not on an issue as big as this and so soon after making those promises.

[dannyk13]

Icheria, of course people know what Brexit means - leaving the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

Extraction is easy. It's the replacement relationship that requires further thought. And no one was going to hold talks on that until it was proven we had the sense to get out.

Danny had the right answer, although if some parts of the UK is determined to destroy the Union (using Brexit as the feeble excuse) then there's nothing to stop them pushing for it.

IMO clearly the main concern is that we get sovereignty back, the Union is very important but not so important that we let those who need a European master dictating to them, to drag us back. If Scotland's leaders thinks it is better off as a very small part of the EU morass, then they are at liberty to ask the public yet again whether they want to split from the UK. And if the public are fed up with being asked they will know what to do at the next election.

Meanwhile there should be no control handed over to Sturgeon to dictate pace, nor destruction of the exit, nor whether anything happens at all.

[Peter Pedant]

wel well
but she was elected as a politician

oh, has anyone noticed the irony between

England: Brexit vote is final and there shall be no going back from this suicidal course of action of turkeys voting for christmas - EVER
and
Scotland: we have had a voot for undependence for at least six months, so lets have another, and go on until we reach the decision that Nicola wants

or as usual, am I the only one ?

[Peter Pedant]

// Danny, name me one recent [politician] who hasn't gone back on a promis at some point. ///
words changed to make better sense

erm St Nige ( £350m a week to the NHS - oh oops I shouldnt have said that ] and Bo Jo - shoo in as prime minister and oops shoo in as foreign secretary

[Gromit]

// Extraction is easy. //
No it isn't. It is not just a case of invoking Article 50 and it is done.

It will take years, if it ever happens. I would not be surprised if Article 50 has not been invoked before the next General Election.

May is working out her roadmap, but she is not sharing which journey we are going on.

[anneasquith]

Abers will still be discussing brexit in 5 years time !!!!! As no plans were made for an exit.

[-Talbot-]

If the Scots get another referendumb and vote to leave, should the rest of the UK make threats as the EU have done?

Scotland relies very heavily on trade with the rest of the UK