French Police Order Muslim Woman To Remove Her Burkini On Packed Nice Beach.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3754395/Wealthy-Algerian-promises-pay-penalty-Muslim-woman-fined-France-wearing-burkini.html

Whether or not one agrees with this, the woman should have known the law, just as a bikini wearing Western woman should know an Islamic country's laws.

[ChillDoubt]

Maybe just one, to wander over, bend down and have a quiet word, would have had the same effect?
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(Sigh) Again, after what just happened in Nice I'm sure the French will dispatch more than one officer to any potential problem involving religious tensions. You really MUST pay more attention to what's currently going on in the real world......

[sp1814]

Does anyone understand why this law has come into effect, and whether it applies specifically to burkinis or it also applies to (say) t-shirts and jogging bottoms?

[Ellipsis]

> I wonder why this woman flouted the law?

Maybe she didn't know about the law change?

Otherwise a gutsy woman, undoubtedly. Maybe she was making a point? Showing the land of liberté, égalité et fraternité what an ass they've made of themselves.

Ultimately, creating a PR opportunity (for both sides of the argument) like this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/23/20/3785A7CA00000578-3754395-image-a-39_1471979587008.jpg

[naomi24]

SP, it applies to religious symbolism.

Ellipsis, in my opinion the only ass around was the one who chose to make an exhibition of herself.

[ChillDoubt]

Otherwise a gutsy woman, undoubtedly. Maybe she was making a point? Showing the land of liberté, égalité et fraternité what an ass they've made of themselves.
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Yeah, after 3 high profile attacks that saw over 200 men, women and children lose their lives (Charlie Hebdo, Paris and Nice, for those not paying attention) they've decided they've had enough I guess......

[RandyMarsh]

What would you say Mams if you were asked to remove a headscarf?

[Khandro]

I'm proud to say this is one of the rare occasions I am in agreement with mikey. :0)
There is no stipulation about the style (or colour) of the burkini, it is simply covering the most of the body out of 'modesty' and by necessity, can't look much different than a thin tracksuit.
naomi; I'm surprised you do not see the Muslim women's point of view, did you look at my link at 14:39?

[Mamyalynne]

Randy, I would politely ask why and if told I was breaking the law would leave that area, and most likely the country as bigotry over a piece of cloth won't solve the world's problems.

I find the sight of the woman at the top of the linked article surrounded then peeling off her top layer uncomfortable to view.

[ChillDoubt]

What would you say Mams if you were asked to remove a headscarf?
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What would you say as a western woman if you were expected(or even told) to wear one in certain ME/muslim countries or face the wrath of the locals or religious police?

[Mamyalynne]

I would politely ask why and if told it was the law as a tourist to wear it then I would leave the country and not return.


I however would be unlikely ever to be there in the first place.

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - //Sigh) Again, after what just happened in Nice I'm sure the French will dispatch more than one officer to any potential problem involving religious tensions...//

Religious tensions???

If it takes four armed police to tick off one unarmed prone woman, then lord help the French if anything serious happens again!

I really think you are blowing this up from a simple transgression - the reasons for which are unknown, notwithstanding some pretty serious conjecturing on here - into some sort of cultural statement of intention of violence, which must be met with force to assuage the pin sharp paranoia of the entire French population.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious!

[naomi24]

Khandro, it depends upon which Muslim woman's point of view you want to see. Having been invited to try on a burka and 'feel my pain', my sympathies tend to sway in that direction. Islamic dress is now more prevalent than it's ever been because in the current climate it is for many nothing more than a political uniform - a visual symbol of militant Islam.
Interestingly, a day or so back someone posted pictures of Iran’s Women’s Volleyball team from 1974 and now. Spot the difference and ask yourself what happened.

http://imgur.com/gallery/JESlsjE

[Ellipsis]

> Yeah, after 3 high profile attacks that saw over 200 men, women and children lose their lives (Charlie Hebdo, Paris and Nice, for those not paying attention) they've decided they've had enough I guess......

... they've decided to play into the hands of ISIS, more like.

All the arguments for both sides of this are in the Mail article. I don't think there's a lot more to be said, especially following this brilliant insight from Mamya:

> Nor does anyone else.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, brilliant insight from Mamya? Where?

[Mamyalynne]

Nice try Ellipsis thank you but I can hear the snorts of derision from here, perhaps it's better when I'm ignored totally ;-)

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - //What would you say as a western woman if you were expected(or even told) to wear one in certain ME/muslim countries or face the wrath of the locals or religious police? //

My wife spends three months a year in Abu Dhabi, and is very well aware of the cultural expectations of western women (and no, they are not enforced by gun-carrying policemen) and she is happy to comply.

They include wearing garments down to wrists and ankles, and a head covering when entering a mosque, and not shaking hands with a man when introduced.

It's perfectly simple to assimilate such cultural preferences, but if she were to break one of them, I doubt the entire Arab population would break out in a fever of outrage and anger.

What we need is a little perspective here.

A woman went to a beach wearing a burkini, which is against the law - we don't know why she did it.

The police with heavy-handed excess, dealt with the issue, and that's the end of it.

It's not the end of civilisation as we know it.

For a group of people who scoff loudly at people they perceive as looking to be offended, we are getting a lot of huffing and puffing on here about the needs of French citizens not to be 'provoked' by the wearing of Muslim clothing.

Maybe time we moved on now?

[ChillDoubt]

. they've decided to play into the hands of ISIS, more like.
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By standing up for themselves and deciding that they don't want oppressive religious garments on show in a Western country? What a warped view of French defiance you have.

[Ellipsis]

Well I was reading Mamya ;)

[Mamyalynne]

No bother, we can but speak from our own viewpoints and experiences.

[andy-hughes]

ChilDoubt - //By standing up for themselves and deciding that they don't want oppressive religious garments on show in a Western country? What a warped view of French defiance you have. //

How in the name of sanity is a garment 'oppresive'?

If you decide a garment is oppressive, then it is, or not if you decide its not.

So the French - and anyone else, can be 'un-oppressed' any time they feel like it!