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[Hymie]

The good news; we are all going to get a blue passport.

The bad news; we are going to war over Gibraltar.

This is what happens when countries fall out with each other – they squabble like children.

[Zacs-Master]

You been reading the DM again hymie?

[Hopkirk]

We're not going to war over Gibraltar.

There has always been tension over the place, and Brexit hasn't caused that. It has simply given Spain the chance to have another go.

[Peter Pedant]

agreed hymie
post more often please

[cassa333]

Hymie and PP obviously don't know much about the history of Gibraltar and Spain.

[mikey4444]

We are not going to war over Gib.

Spain are just using this latest excuse, to have another whinge.

Ignore them !

[vetuste_ennemi]

Accusing Peter P of ignorance is fighting talk, Cass. He knows a lot about most things. He will return. (At this point I chuck in Balliol Ballads and Jowett because I know Peter will get the allusion: "if I don't know it it ain't knowledge)./

On Gib:

Aged fourteen I entered a fourth year class called cryptically "The Hive". In the grammar school of the young VE we had the graded A, B and C classes and this extra fourth year "Hive" group of twelve. Intention: take O-levels in 4th year and enter 6th form a year early., Theoretically a Hive student would go to Oxford or Cambridge at the age of seventeen subject to A-level results and passing the entrance examinations required (in those pre-affirmative action days) by both. The entrance exams actually preceded the summer A-levels.
For reasons known only to our tutors the Hive took an O-level British Empire History exam rather than some more broadly defined one. It was an one year syllabus and encompassed the period of British history which started with the Treaty of Utrecht (whenever, whatever and wherever that may be) and ended with the annexation of Uganda (whatever etc.).

Memory fades, but I do think we got Gib under the Utrecht Treaty and, at least temporarily, one of the Balearic islands. I think they got Minorca back

Mind you, and to come clean, I did fail that O-level.

[kvalidir]

lol Gibralter. So let me get this right, Spain used to 'own' it 'til the Dutch kicked their *** and then we got it in 1713 so it's 'ours'. Right.
Surprised the foaming patriots even want it considering it's name is from 'Jabal Tariq'- sounds a bit Muslim to me, oh wait, no it's okay it's us over there...
Do none of the 'save Gibralter' crew see the irony in us moaning about immigrants coming here whilst we sit on a rock thousands of miles away from our own bit of rock?

[Jackdaw33]

@ v-e.

We had the same system except it was call the Remove.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Ah, got it at last. Never read Billy Bunter, Jackdaw.

[mushroom25]

//it's name is from 'Jabal Tariq'- sounds a bit Muslim to me//

you need to brush up on your Spanish history, k.

[ummmm]

I very much doubt they'd ever be a war over GIB. It's so English just warmer and it has a rock and lots of monkeys. The Spanish would be well peeved if they couldn't cross the border and stock up with cheap booze and fags.

[Khandro]

The latest on this storm in a teacup is that Spain has declared it is (maybe) prepared to back Scotland joining the EU. There are several problems with this stance though, one being the majority of canny Scots don't want to join the EU in isolation and it would only encourage their own Basques to go for it.
Which might be a case of 'too many Basques in one exit' -- ooooh!

[naomi24]

Khandro, very good. :o)

[Old_Geezer]

There is no irony to see. Past disputes of ownership settled, the people there are not immigrants. Immigrants coming to our nation are immigrants by definition.

[Peter Pedant]

// Hymie and PP obviously don't know much about the history of Gibraltar and Spain.//

haha and so Thpain is ready to return Ceuta and Melilla ?

The average Aber will ask - so Melilla is gonna go back to Bill Gates? - I hadnt realised they split !

NO the Spanish insist that the positions of Ceuta and Melilla are completely different to Gib ....

Mr Brown latterly prime minister
was in a hot housing system in Kirkcaldy Academy ( may have been grammar school ) and was hot housed to Oxbridge at 16
Not many went to uni at that age - as even the sixteen year olds thought it as a bit early
and Mr Brown always felt he had been abused in some way by being hot housed ....

well anyway back to the important points like Gib .. ..

[Peter Pedant]

// //it's name is from 'Jabal Tariq'- sounds a bit Muslim to me//

I thought this as a joke - tariq means (rock) in er Muslim ....
worra bout 'tel' as in tell el amarna ? that means rock as well

as s/o writes
Tariq se asentó en el peñón de Gibraltar (nombre que deriva de este conquistador, Ŷebel at-Tariq, 'Montaña de Tariq'),

spanish wiki has Tariq ibn Ziyad as prime mover of the conquest of spain 711 or so but I thought it was Hassan el inmigrante - who beached at Salubrenas ....

ho hum as cassa says - I need to revise my history ....

[kvalidir]

Do I mushroom? (جبل طارق)?

''The name Gibraltar is the Spanish derivation of the Arabic name Jabal Ṭāriq (جبل طارق), meaning "Mountain of Tariq".

[naomi24]

I don’t see the relevance of referring to the Arabic name for Gibraltar. The Moors were kicked out of Spain centuries ago.

[kvalidir]

You don't have to see the relevance of it Naomi, just as I don't have to see the relevance of you asking when my response was aimed at Mushroom :/

[emmie]

we aren't going to go to war over Gibraltar, Lord Howard should measure his words a little better

as to our passports they may well be blue or not. They will change at great cost to people who may well have just renewed their current passport.