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End Of Grid Girls......
....In Formula 1
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"While the practice of employing grid girls has been a staple of Formula 1 grands prix for decades, we feel this custom does not resonate with our brand values and clearly is at odds with modern day societal norms," Bratches added.
Do you agree or not , with the move ?
Should the ban be extended to other Motor Sports formulas ?
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"While the practice of employing grid girls has been a staple of Formula 1 grands prix for decades, we feel this custom does not resonate with our brand values and clearly is at odds with modern day societal norms," Bratches added.
Do you agree or not , with the move ?
Should the ban be extended to other Motor Sports formulas ?
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Togo - // If women feel that way .........why do they wear make up, and clothes to enhance what they perceive to be their best assets,their appearances, when venturing out into the testosterone charged world? Surely they are not making an attempt to be............... eye candy? //
If you really believe that a woman dressing herself and wearing makeup in order to feel good about her appearance when she goes out, genuinely equates to a model posing in a pit lane with a scanty outfit and a big smile, then I don't think you know very much about the opposite sex, and what motivates them to look good.
If you really believe that a woman dressing herself and wearing makeup in order to feel good about her appearance when she goes out, genuinely equates to a model posing in a pit lane with a scanty outfit and a big smile, then I don't think you know very much about the opposite sex, and what motivates them to look good.
I understand perfectly well thank you Pixie, I just struggle with our leader flip-flopping between critcising others for appreciating the charms of the young women on the grid while viewing female athletes as sexy and can run a bit too.
//I know that toned bodies and long limbs are a given, but when did they all get so good looking as well?
I am sure this is not supposed to be a reason to enjoy sport, but it does it for me!//
//I know that toned bodies and long limbs are a given, but when did they all get so good looking as well?
I am sure this is not supposed to be a reason to enjoy sport, but it does it for me!//
douglas- // I understand perfectly well thank you Pixie, I just struggle with our leader flip-flopping between critcising others for appreciating the charms of the young women on the grid while viewing female athletes as sexy and can run a bit too. //
Let's be clear here - first of all I am no-one's 'leader' thank you very much.
Second of all, there is no correlation between me admiring a female athlete who looks good pursuing her profession - and the 'looking good' is a subjective reaction and nothing to do with actually being an athlete, whether any good or not -
and expressing a view that women placed in pit lanes purely as 'eye candy' to use the media term of choice, with no discernible talent whatsoever in evidence.
And finally, I have not criticised anyone for finding such young ladies attractive - so you are in error there - my view is that the use of young women as 'eye candy' (there's the phrase again!) is about forty years out of date, and I am happy if it is consigned to history.
Let's be clear here - first of all I am no-one's 'leader' thank you very much.
Second of all, there is no correlation between me admiring a female athlete who looks good pursuing her profession - and the 'looking good' is a subjective reaction and nothing to do with actually being an athlete, whether any good or not -
and expressing a view that women placed in pit lanes purely as 'eye candy' to use the media term of choice, with no discernible talent whatsoever in evidence.
And finally, I have not criticised anyone for finding such young ladies attractive - so you are in error there - my view is that the use of young women as 'eye candy' (there's the phrase again!) is about forty years out of date, and I am happy if it is consigned to history.
pixie - // Because it's incidental,. Doug, it isn't the whole point. Like admiring someone walking past you isn't the same as paying them to parade in front of you. //
We cross-posted, but I am not surprised that as a mature independent woman with skills and a brain, you see the denigration of your gender for the titillation of rich men, as something that does not belong in a civilised society.
We cross-posted, but I am not surprised that as a mature independent woman with skills and a brain, you see the denigration of your gender for the titillation of rich men, as something that does not belong in a civilised society.
> does not belong in a civilised society
Hmm, I think you'll find grid girls continue for a while at least in sports such as BTCC and BSB, i.e. British society which is a lot more open and tolerant than many. As has been pointed out, it's being banned from F1 because of the global nature of that sport and the reaction of less tolerant societies. So, which society is the more civilised?
Hmm, I think you'll find grid girls continue for a while at least in sports such as BTCC and BSB, i.e. British society which is a lot more open and tolerant than many. As has been pointed out, it's being banned from F1 because of the global nature of that sport and the reaction of less tolerant societies. So, which society is the more civilised?
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Deskdiary - // As so many posts on this thread has proven, people don't care that the girls concerned enjoy their job and they don't care that their choice and money has been taken away from them. //
Let's apply a little proportion here shall we?
As has been pointed out, virtually none of these women rely on this particular work as their main source of income, so they are not being cast aside as unemployable.
But more importantly, someone being paid to do something that is no longer seen as socially acceptable by society is not a justification for it to continue.
By that logic, you could say that sending a small boy up a chimney is acceptable, as long you as you pay him the going rate for doing it.
Money is not the issue here.
Let's apply a little proportion here shall we?
As has been pointed out, virtually none of these women rely on this particular work as their main source of income, so they are not being cast aside as unemployable.
But more importantly, someone being paid to do something that is no longer seen as socially acceptable by society is not a justification for it to continue.
By that logic, you could say that sending a small boy up a chimney is acceptable, as long you as you pay him the going rate for doing it.
Money is not the issue here.
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spath - // "someone being paid to do something that is no longer seen as socially acceptable by society is not a justification for it to continue.
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That differes from who you talk to. The dutch have the red light district? Where as here it's totally illegal. As you said on my cannabis thread Andy, just let people do what they want, if its regulated ,it'll be safer. Banning things makes things more seedy.
Some will always agree with grid girls, some may not. It's F1's decision to ban this but if some want to do it, why deny them the chance if there are others wanting them to do it? The world can't cater for everyone and if it does we'll all be sat in a chair not allowed to laugh or talk, bit like wall-E //
I think your point is a good one.
I believe that what tends to happen in an evolving culture, is that things that have been acceptable, can be seen as no longer acceptable, and if the majority of society takes that view, then whatever it is will fade away.
Nothing is perfect, there is no one-size-fits-all in these matters - so there will be people who will disagree with the changes that occur, but occur they will because that is what society has decided it wants.
It's been a very interesting debate - so much easier to exchange views about culture than it is about religion!!
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That differes from who you talk to. The dutch have the red light district? Where as here it's totally illegal. As you said on my cannabis thread Andy, just let people do what they want, if its regulated ,it'll be safer. Banning things makes things more seedy.
Some will always agree with grid girls, some may not. It's F1's decision to ban this but if some want to do it, why deny them the chance if there are others wanting them to do it? The world can't cater for everyone and if it does we'll all be sat in a chair not allowed to laugh or talk, bit like wall-E //
I think your point is a good one.
I believe that what tends to happen in an evolving culture, is that things that have been acceptable, can be seen as no longer acceptable, and if the majority of society takes that view, then whatever it is will fade away.
Nothing is perfect, there is no one-size-fits-all in these matters - so there will be people who will disagree with the changes that occur, but occur they will because that is what society has decided it wants.
It's been a very interesting debate - so much easier to exchange views about culture than it is about religion!!
Should a more civilised society be more open and tolerant or less open and tolerant?
Should we tolerate people dressed like this on our streets:
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Or this:
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What about this:
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To me, all are fine if it's their choice of what to wear. It would be hypocritical to defend the first image while denigrating the third, or vice versa.
Should we tolerate people dressed like this on our streets:
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Or this:
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What about this:
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To me, all are fine if it's their choice of what to wear. It would be hypocritical to defend the first image while denigrating the third, or vice versa.
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