Have Lessons Been Learned, Or Will These Foreign Groomers Continue To Abuse Our Girls And Women?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5428701/Grooming-rife-Britain-says-report-abuse.html

/// The review noted the abusers were mainly ‘not white but came from a diverse range of backgrounds including Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Indian, Iranian, Iraqi, Kurdish, Turkish, Albanian and Eastern European’. ///

[ummmm]

Khandro - I don't think he does. I think he reports them.

[bainbrig]

Andy-Hughes (is that like terry-thomas?).

You do, old pal, you do - first one I noticed was over on History, where you labelled an entire nation (the Japanese) as 'cruel', somehow in their DNA. Now you're implying a similar set of characteristics to the dreaded foreigners coming over here molesting our women, as if we needed any HELP doing that!

Suggest you have a sit-down and re-examine your drift rightwards.

BB

[Khandro]

ummmm; // I think he reports them.//

Are you saying then that a mod. does not have the ability to remove posts directly themselves?

[ummmm]

I put don't think.

I don't think Andy removes posts on threads he's involved in.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // ummmm; // I think he reports them.//

Are you saying then that a mod. does not have the ability to remove posts directly themselves? //

Moderators do have the facility to remove posts, and to suspend persistent rule-breakers who are damaging the flow of the threads.

Shall we get back to the topic now - foreign groomers / learning lessons.

[andy-hughes]

bainbrig - // Andy-Hughes (is that like terry-thomas?).

You do, old pal, you do //

Do what?

[-Talbot-]

Well, once again the nasty ABers have dragged andy into another thread ruining spat.

[bainbrig]

Outbursts!

[andy-hughes]

bainbrig - // Outbursts! //

Since all we have is the written word, I am at a loss to see how you interpret my posts as 'outbursts' - but I assure you they are not, and I am the one who would know.

With reference to your point that white men behave just as appallingly, I am fully aware of that - but that is not the issue we are discussing, so its not relevant.

[bainbrig]

And once again, those with little to add (Well, once again the nasty ABers have dragged andy into another thread ruining spat. ) snipe from a safe distance.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - // Well, once again the nasty ABers have dragged andy into another thread ruining spat. //

Shall we make an effort to stick to the subject?

It would be better for everyone I am sure you will agree.

[jourdain2]

My reply is concerned with earlier posts concerning the effectiveness of education in eventually solving the problem of foreign attitudes amongst sections of our population. It's about something I learned today at a visit to the optician - who was born and raised in an area of Bradford in which I taught for many years. Her parents moved house to avoid sending her to her locally allocated school place. I had done several temporary contracts there and knew that, since it was a Girl's school, there was a high percentage of Pakistani pupils - the uniform was redesigned to resemble a shalwar-kemise whilst I had contact there.

Their reason for the move? The school had designated its primary language as Urdu. This surely says it all?

[andy-hughes]

jourdain - // Their reason for the move? The school had designated its primary language as Urdu. This surely says it all? //

Was this a state school?

I am unsure that state-funded schools are able to change the primary language in which lessons are taught, but I am happy to stand corrected if I am in error.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Well, you have to hand it to him, the tactic continues to work: provoke, divert and yet another thread goes off topic and becomes instead centred on a narcissist.

In this case the provocation was done not by directly trivialising the rape of one girl by fifty men (although I doubt one girl/fifty men, or twenty girls/one thousand men matters much either way to him), but by sneering at the journalist who was exposing this scandal. Even his guardian angels ought to be embarrassed by that. (And especially whoever it is who is removing posts on his behalf.)

I repeat my former advice (to all the nasty ABers, I mean): don't engage with him.

PS: have I seen a pertinent comment from the two superior beings who've used the word "nasty"?

[-Talbot-]

I very often think that I'm one of the few ABers who can actually follow a thread.

[jourdain2]

Yes, andy, a state school. There was an equivalent boys school next door (which back in the early 1900s my dad attended - another building though). I could name it but better not. When I was there we were told not to tell-off pupils for using Urdu in class - which didn't help at all with discipline etc.. I found it disturbing then and now profoundly disturbing. Don't know if this adds anything, but I did my first Teaching Practice at Drummond Road (before Ray Honneyford's (spelling?) time - but he was right)and there was a separate unit for teaching English and maths. to newly arrived children - and any pupils whose lack of English handicapped their learning. This would be 1970. It worked - but was discontinued as 'discriminatory' a couple of years later.

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - // Well, you have to hand it to him, the tactic continues to work: provoke, divert and yet another thread goes off topic and becomes instead centred on a narcissist. //

It goes off topic if people take it off topic - as you are doing with posts like this, so look to yourself for the reasons why threads degenerate into nonsense.

//In this case the provocation was done not by directly trivialising the rape of one girl by fifty men (although I doubt one girl/fifty men, or twenty girls/one thousand men matters much either way to him), //

I will not dignify that appalling slur with a comment - but again, try debating the point, instead of being offensive to the point-maker.

// I repeat my former advice (to all the nasty ABers, I mean): don't engage with him. //

I - and I am sure others, look forward to you taking your own advice.

I'm returning to the thread now, feel free to join me, or continue to derail it with this sort of nonsense, I don't care either way.

[andy-hughes]

jourdain - // Yes, andy, a state school. There was an equivalent boys school next door (which back in the early 1900s my dad attended - another building though). I could name it but better not. When I was there we were told not to tell-off pupils for using Urdu in class - which didn't help at all with discipline etc.. I found it disturbing then and now profoundly disturbing.//

I entirely agree - but not telling off pupils for speaking in their native language does not equate with a wholesale school-wide policy that Urdu is the first language for the delivery of education - but again I am happy to be corrected if this is the case.

[jourdain2]

Whether lessons are delivered in Urdu or not, I can't say, andy, but given the example of my last school in Bradford - where Pakistani teachers now massively outnumber others (a teacher friend of mine who only left about 4 years ago told me that there was but a small huddle of white teachers in the staffroom out of a huge staff) it is perfectly possible.

[andy-hughes]

jourdain2 - //Whether lessons are delivered in Urdu or not, I can't say, andy, but given the example of my last school in Bradford - where Pakistani teachers now massively outnumber others (a teacher friend of mine who only left about 4 years ago told me that there was but a small huddle of white teachers in the staffroom out of a huge staff) it is perfectly possible. //

So really, the school's 'first language' is not Urdu then - is it?

It possibly could be, I agree, but it's highly likely that it's not, because I don't believe that UK state schools are allowed to deliver the curriculum in anything except English.