Freeeeeedom!

[ToraToraTora]

what else can I say........

[Mozz71]

//Chrissa shows us all, and particularly the loser Remainiacs, how to take a setback on the chin and remain courteous and magnanimous//

I like to think that many of us have been magnanimous in the wake of Brexit day, and have accepted it regardless of personal feelings, but its tough to remain courteous when being called "losers" or "remainiacs" by folk like yourself.

If you want courtesy, you need to act with some too.

[tamborine]

for Barry1010. UK WAS 2nd highest payee into EU but UK offers FREE NHS, welfare, social housing & income, education to all members (512.4million population) & non members Merkel took in from Syria etc. that other member states do NOT offer. UKs population 66.4million cannot, or be expected to sustain the vast difference; 82million foreigners AND pay infrastructure for lesser developed EU countries.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-48256318

[New Judge]

//How can it be Independence Day, the uk has always been independent.//

As Jim has rightly said, such things are subjective so it depends on your notion of “independent”. Personally I cannot see how a nation which:

- Cannot make its own trade agreements which are in its best interests
- Cannot make laws which run contrary to those of a Supranational organisation
- Cannot spend its own tax revenues to support businesses without permission from that organisation
- Cannot import goods on the best terms possible for its own consumers
- Cannot control who, of 450m people, can live and work within its borders
- Has disputes about any of the above arbitrated by a foreign court
- Has no real control over the conduct of that organisation if it chooses to act against its best interests
- Cannot manufacture or import incandescent lightbulbs [specially for Zacs! :-)]

Can possibly be independent.

I’ve given my views on why I had a bit of a gloat yesterday evening. It was not to gloat at the rank-and-file voters who voted to remain. I respect their views and their reasons for wanting to remain. I even agree with one or two of those reasons and I understand them maintain their views even though we have left. I would not have altered mine so as to “bring the country together” had we voted to remain. My gloating is reserved for the contemptuous bar stewards who, on the very day following the referendum, promptly announced their plans to have the result nullified. Principle players among them were the Good Doctor Cable, Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry and Chukka Umunna, though there were plenty of others. They utilised every trick at their disposal to nullify the result, using the disguise of the “manner of leaving” being the thing that troubled them when in fact they had no intention of facilitating leaving at all. Their supercilious dismissal, often accompanied by insults, of the people who put them into office demonstrated their utter contempt for them. They are the people I raised two fingers to yesterday, not Jim and the 16m odd others who were simply asked a question and gave their answer in good faith. As for Geldof and Co., the least said about them the better.

[Togo]

Feel free to exclude yourselves from my previous post if you must. :))

[Mozz71]

Thank you good sir. Please remember, that a lot of us find certain remainer fanatics on AB to be as pathetic as you guys do.

In fact, the presence of, let's call them "Idiot D" and "Idiot G", made me less inclined to voice my own views for worry about being tarred with the same brush. They make it harder to be an AB remainer.

[jim360]

Thanks, NJ. I (obviously) still disagree with your post, but I wish the argument had been conducted in that fashion throughout.

[ToraToraTora]

mush 11:22, yes indeed another fine example. I watched a couple of episodes of flea bag but really couldn't get on with it. TBF though I can't stand MBB!

[jim360]

Thanks to you to, TTT. It's perhaps a bit much to expect you to extend it to those lot because, let's face it, regardless of their intentions it's clear what the perception was going to be.

Now all I need is Naomi to admit that I've been a gentleman throughout and it's a complete set :o

[Apc2604]

Well said Mozz at 11.43.

[hereIam]

Well said mushroom at 11:22.

[jim360]

Well said jim360 at 12:07 :/

[Togo]

“You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word. It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.”

Winston.

[tamborine]

Been searching for UKs cost of leaving & found £31billion with limited trade agreements. Anyone know different?

[Theland]

That's three years membership?

[webbo3]

Any remainers care to tell us what the Eu stands to benefit from us leaving.

[Togo]

Sure Webbo.......they get to tell their lies in Brussels without Nigel pulling them up or calling them out. They will like that. Whilst it lasts. Him leaving leaves a vacuum........a vacuum that is just asking to be filled.

[jim360]

I don't believe the EU *does* stand to benefit from us leaving.

[Old_Geezer]

Perhaps Nige can hire his services out to Eurosceptic MEPs, Write speeches etc.. Advise on actions.

[webbo3]

tnx Togo, tnx Jim.

[cassa333]

Reading stuff that’s not there is quite common. I mean we all do it at times. Some people have read a quote about the amount on the side of the bus will be used for the NHS when in fact it simply said it could be used for the NHS as an example of what we could fund. But even though their error has been pointed out they still use it.

Not all remainers have done their best to thwart Brexit. Most people go about their business as do Brexiters. The remainers birdie refers to are those that actively do or say things that undermine Brexit. And where those with influence chivvy up their base, the base rises up. Celebrities and such like also have a voice far greater than us mere mortals so have influence we do not have in chivvying up their base. Some do manage it and some turn their base off but any remainer are emboldened by them.

As I said we can all read what’s not and be impressed with our preferred talking head if we chose to but when they and you keep doing the same thing over and over even when your error is pointed out it shows a lack of something within you somehow.

It’s a bit like ‘give me one example’ when you’ve been given a hundred. Because you have decided that each of those hundred examples are not worthy they are dismissed. At the end of the day, when 11pm chimes and you continue to do what you’ve always done people turn off to your opinions in that particular area.

It happens to the celebrities, news readers, pundits, MPs, the good and the great and it trickles down to the man in the pub and your local shop and even on your preferred online chat facility. Carry on saying the same old same old discredited line. Who cares.