Harry And Meghan -V- The Bbc

[naomi24]

//Buckingham Palace has become embroiled in a row over whether the Queen was consulted over the naming of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s daughter.//

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/09/harry-and-meghan-push-back-at-claim-queen-not-consulted-on-lilibet-name

Reading through this report it appears that Harry told the queen of their intention to name their daughter Lilibet, but contrary to their claim they didn’t actually seek her permission.

Goodness knows where all this controversy with those two will end, but the plot thickens.

[Zacs-Master]

Pix, I was just about to quote Naomi where's she's written 'Looking for something to complain about seems to be quite fashionable now. Shame those who deliberately make waves are taken so seriously.'

She should heed her own advice!

[naomi24]

Pixie, I admitted what?

Two words for you. South Africa.

[pixie374]

That'll be the day, zacs...

[puzzled54]

I feel that they are just looking for publicity. They could have called her Elizabeth, to be known as lili(bet) just as Harry is Henry but known as Harry. Which I think was announced when he was born.

[Ken4155]

If Bill Shakespeare was still alive, he could have written a play about all this. Possibly calling it, "Much Ado About Nothing" :-/

[Mozz71]

Not The (Un)Merry Wife of Windsor then Ken?

[bednobs]

it doesnt matter i they asked the queen or not. the naming of children does not need permission from family members - its a decision for the parents only. christ, if people are seriously suggesting that a great grandmother should have veto in a new baby's name, no wonder they *** off away from the toxicity

[pixie374]

Bednobs, I have read that the Queen is meant to authorise certain family names (and marriages). Although, I can't find that just now. Does anyone else know?

[Peter Pedant]

// If Bill Shakespeare were still alive, he could have written a play about all this. Possibly calling it, "Much Ado About Nothing" :-///

yeah ( foo ! ) pity he died - a few weeks ago from covid ( smiley) [wry one: looks cute but also wiv tongue in cheek]

yeah ( foo again!) - an he cd follow it up with a bodice ripper about Prince Andrew and call it - - - "king Leer!" - - smiley needed

yeah again - (more foo!) - a comedy about a couple who fall in luuurrve and run off not to the shores of Bohemia ( Whingers' Tale) but far beyond the shores of Bermoothes ( The Tantrum - - or perhaps the Temptress) - - recalling Timon of Athens - renamed as "Try-it-on in California"

foo run out of shakespears plays

[Peter Pedant]

// Bednobs, I have read that the Queen is meant to authorise certain family names (and marriages)//

oh god serious question in this morass of ....
yes permission needed for grandchildren - Royal Marriages Act 1772 - and marriages have been annulled for lack of permit.

Education - Act of Settlement 1701 - Diana again trying it on - down to the grandchildren

Names - Diana tried it on ( again ) with Oliver but was persuaded no I think

[jourdain2]

Well, we did not hear the conversation between the Queen and Sussexes. Harry could even have said something on the lines that they'd like to name the child after E.R. and she thought they meant 'Elizabeth' and was pleased. We just don't know and probably never will.

[pixie374]

Thanks, pp.

[pixie374]

Although, she is a great-grandchild. Permission still needed?

[calmck]

I think I read somewhere that there was a card with flowers from the Queen at the D of E funeral signed "Lilibet". If true this was obviously a personal message from her to him using the name used in private between the two of them. I can see the baby being called Elizabeth and using Lilibet or Lili as with Henry Prince Harry. This all could be a misunderstanding over given and nick name

[ladybirder]

I bet it was Meghan that chose it. She the boss.

[Barsel]

I read that the Queen does have to give permission in case that child one day becomes Monarch, although in this case, it would be unlikely.
The name Lilibet was apparently given to the Queen by her Grandfather as she couldn't say Elizabeth, so I don't even know if it's a proper name or just a nickname.
There has been some controversy over whether the Queen was asked if it would be ok for H&M to use this name and unless we hear it from the Queens mouth, we won't know.
Perhaps the Queen might not mind, but I wonder how she will feel if in time, lots of her subjects decide to use this name and it will become very common and not exclusive to the RF.
Up until now, if I heard the name Lilibet, I would immediately think of the Queen, but in another 5 yrs, there could be lots of little Lilibet's sitting in the classrooms around the world.

[bednobs]

no one has "exclusivity" on a name!

[Peter Pedant]

No - gt grandchildren outside the scope of legislation as is

( Diana again but I cant remember how)

[pixie374]

Thanks again, pp. So basically, they can call her whatever they like, without official approval?

[naomi24]

No one has exclusivity on a name but there are such things as protocol, courtesy and respect.