This Makes Grim Reading.

[youngmafbog]

Why won't our Police look into this? It is not acceptable to bring these backward practices here and not expect repercussions. We do not allow our women to be beaten and they are equals with men. If these people dont like our way of like why dont they push off to somewhere who does - not that I think these practices are acceptable anywhere

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10907429/Her-sisters-murder-Britains-notorious-honour-killing-BEKHAL-MAHMOD-tells-fled.html

[ToraToraTora]

rubbish pixie, it's a muslim issue primarily, think it through. Being male is not the primary factor being muslim is. Jimmy Saville was a paedophile, he was a man, by your logic that makes all men paedophiles. Clearly not the case. This is 100% religion, end of.

[pixie374]

That is not my logic, any more than you are saying 100% of Muslims are terrorists. Come on, lad- try something rational, for a bit of a challenge, at least?

[ToraToraTora]

have you found an example of a non muslim "honour killing" yet?

[pixie374]

As I said earlier, we just don't call them that if they aren't "muslim". To patronise you back.... have you heard of DV, and the difference in prevalence between male and female? Often about control in the same way... just not called "honour killing".
Tell you what- post some valid stats to show that Muslim women are more violent than UK men- and I will apologise, shut up, and go away.... x

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: //As I said earlier, we just don't call them that if they aren't "muslim". // - OK we are playing semantics, have you any examples of non muslims murdering their daughters because they refuse to marry someone they don't know, or marry someone not on the approved list? //To patronise you back.... have you heard of DV, and the difference in prevalence between male and female? // - no what is DV?
//Tell you what- post some valid stats to show that Muslim women are more violent than UK men- and I will apologise, shut up, and go away.... x // - well that's not related to the point is it? You insist it is because they are men they do what they do, anyone with any sense can see it's because they are muslim, end of.

[pixie374]

Clearly it isn't.... if you can't show Muslim women behave the same way. Awaiting your links...

[sanmac]

I imagine female GM is inflicted upon young girls by women simply because they are women.

[ToraToraTora]

what links are you looking for pixie? I'm not saying muslim women are more violent that the men. You're losing the plot love. Still waiting for an example of a non muslim family murdering their daughter. Sanmac makes a valid point too.

[pixie374]

//I'm not saying muslim women are more violent that the men.//

One question- are they more violent than UK men? That's it.

[ToraToraTora]

that's not a valid comparison though, you are comparing apples with bananas. Completely un related. Why are you so defensive of Muslim men? Why do you want to blame all mankind for the activities of the men in one religion?

[pixie374]

Irrational again. Why do you want to blame all Muslims?
My argument couldn't be any fairer or more rational. Are Muslim women a bigger threat than UK men?
Sidestep etc all you like. Tbf, we all know the answer- I think I was just experimenting with your personal honesty, which isn't fair. Let's leave it there.

[pixie374]

Just to be clear- I am just discussing the main "factor" in all violence- in the vain hope we might be able to improve things.

[Spicerack]

It's called whataboutery, TTT. Shameful behaviour on this sort of thread.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: //Irrational again.// - yes you are
// Why do you want to blame all Muslims?// - why do you want to blame all mankind for the activities of one religion?
//My argument couldn't be any fairer or more rational. // - on what planet? you are saying that all men are the problem
//Sidestep etc all you like. Tbf, we all know the answer- I think I was just experimenting with your personal honesty, which isn't fair. Let's leave it there. // I'm not sidestepping, you are are.

[ToraToraTora]

sorry spice is that a criticism of my argument here?

[pixie374]

Not quite, lol, and ttt was happy to talk... preferring to blame, rather than improve, is entirely your choice, svpice

[pixie374]

//you are saying that all men are the problem//

Go on- show me where, then.

I am clearly referring to risk factors- and I guess you are- unless you are claiming all Muslims are evil?

[ToraToraTora]

you say it every time this comes up woman! several times on this thread alone. I sometimes wonder what your vested interest is. Demonising all men for the behaviour of those in TROP. What's your angle?

[Spicerack]

I was replying to the question you asked Pixie

'Why do you want to blame all mankind for the activities of the men in one religion?'

As I said, it's whataboutery. And it's vile given the subject of this thread.
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[pixie374]

What is yours, ttt? For claiming it is all Muslims?

Mine is accuracy.