This Makes Grim Reading.

[youngmafbog]

Why won't our Police look into this? It is not acceptable to bring these backward practices here and not expect repercussions. We do not allow our women to be beaten and they are equals with men. If these people dont like our way of like why dont they push off to somewhere who does - not that I think these practices are acceptable anywhere

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10907429/Her-sisters-murder-Britains-notorious-honour-killing-BEKHAL-MAHMOD-tells-fled.html

[pixie374]

Spice, ttt is fine- irrational on this subject, but not a problem. Thanks anyway.

[ToraToraTora]

rubbish, you are some sort of Misandrist trying to blame all men for what muslim men get up to.

[pixie374]

Rubbish. I don't invent the statistics. Your "logic" implies the problem I'd religion- but you fully refuse to show that Muslim women have more of a problem with committing violence than UK men.
Don't shoot the messenger!

[pixie374]

Is... not I'd

[Spicerack]

In case there's the slightest semblance of doubt, I'm calling your fatuous argument disgraceful, pixie.

[pixie374]

No doubt, spice- you were unclear enough that it made no sense anyway. Anything helpful to add?

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: // "Your "logic" implies the problem I'd religion// - it is carried out by religious devotees for religious reasons
// but you fully refuse to show that Muslim women have more of a problem with committing violence than UK men.// - That is a facile unrelated statement, you might as well say fewer murders are carried out by panda bears.
//Don't shoot the messenger! // - you have no message.

[Spicerack]

Yes, show a bit of respect.

[pixie374]

I do. I credited you with being able to read (unlike spice).
The biggest factor with any kind of violence, anywhere- including religion or culture- is that it is almost always committed by males. Not misandry- just fact- not my fault.
Blame different "cultures" all you like... it is inaccurate though. Different methods, causes, reasons- but over 95% same group of perpetrators.
I love men, I hate dishonesty.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "The biggest factor with any kind of violence, anywhere- including religion or culture- is that it is almost always committed by males. " - this post is about "Honour killings" or if you prefer Families murdering their own daughters and they are 100% muslim. In set theory, did you study any maths? you narrow the set to it's smallest boundry so yes they are men but all the men in the set are muslim, thus the set is muslim men. Anything else is just tarring the entire group with the brush of the more defined isolated group. So the identifying factor is "Muslim men", a subset of the much bigger set "men". geddit?

[pixie374]

Well done, that is a beginning at least. And yes, I did maths.

[pixie374]

And the biggest factor in violent crime? (Just to check you did too) is......?

[ToraToraTora]

so what you are doing is moving outward from the isolated set, by your logic, males are a subset of humans so should we should expand it further and say it's a human issue? In set theory you go inwards to create subsets not outwards to supersets. The smallest subset here is "Muslim men".

[William51]

I think this is a widespread problem, in the UK we are still struggling to get on top of the backward practices some immigrants and their dependants have.

[pixie374]

Yes. And be honest, ttt- how many times have you seen that clarified, either in an OP or thread (including here)?
It's usually just "muslims"- and also ignores the majority of peaceful ones.
I appreciate that you are now finally admitting it is not "muslim" overall... but there is a much bigger denominator.

[ToraToraTora]

all I have done is narrow it down to the smallest set that covers the data. "Muslim Men".

[pixie374]

I look forward to seeing that clarification on your future threads.

[ToraToraTora]

it's always been clear, the effort was to get you to see it.

[THECORBYLOON]

'"Honour killings" or if you prefer Families murdering their own daughters and they are 100% muslim.'

TORATORATORA, for the avoidance of any doubt, is your claim that 100% of all, so-called "honour-killings", are carried out only by Muslims?

[pixie374]

TTT, it hasn't- the blame I have seen has always been Muslims in general- and you have disagreed with me throughout the thread, that males are the issue. You have conceded- but you did not agree all along.