This Makes Grim Reading.

[youngmafbog]

Why won't our Police look into this? It is not acceptable to bring these backward practices here and not expect repercussions. We do not allow our women to be beaten and they are equals with men. If these people dont like our way of like why dont they push off to somewhere who does - not that I think these practices are acceptable anywhere

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10907429/Her-sisters-murder-Britains-notorious-honour-killing-BEKHAL-MAHMOD-tells-fled.html

[naomi24]

Whilst it’s true that men are generally more likely than women to commit acts of violence, Pixie consistently refuses to attribute these atrocities to the Islamic culture - but that’s precisely the source. If it wasn’t this would be just as prevalent within other societies. That’s common sense.

[pixie374]

//Whilst it’s true that men are generally more likely than women to commit acts of violence//

Also a general concession, thank you. And no, I don't refuse to attribute methods of violence to different groups and cultures. I am purely looking at causes- as I would prefer things to actually change, than just blame... someone else (not saying you are).

[naomi24]

What you would prefer to happen and what actually happens, pixie, are two different things. Most of us would prefer it not to happen but until the culture of Islam changes neither will this. Don’t hold your breath.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie "I am purely looking at causes" - no you are trying to obfuscate the real cause. You are moving out from the core data. I know you are not that thick so their must be some other reason that you want to ignore the As explained above, all the data fits in one set, that is a subset of men, valid subset that has been identified. The cause is the set "muslim men" - perhaps we could narrow it further to a subset of "muslim men" - you seem to want to widen the data to obscure the accuracy.

[pixie374]

I fully appreciate that what we want and what happens... are not the same. But even if the "culture of Islam" changed- we would have just as many victims and violence.
Yet again, this is about education and control of male behaviour- it does not originate from religion. Religion was invented to facilitate it.

[pixie374]

You missed my last post, ttt- or I can clarify, if you like?

[pixie374]

Ttt, "muslim men" or preferably "violent Muslim men" is fine with me. I have never yet seen that accuracy on AB, that's all.

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//pixie "I am purely looking at causes" - no you are trying to obfuscate the real cause. You are moving out from the core data. I know you are not that thick so their must be some other reason//

Oh the irony!

Give it up Pixie, you’re dealing with the geezer who likes to throw accusations of ‘semi-literacy’ at other users with impunity.

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, if you're claiming that all honour killings are carried out by Muslims, you're wrong.

[pixie374]

Thanks, atticus- I quite like him though ... :-)

[ToraToraTora]

not impunity fatticus, evidence. You don't what a lie is and you can't read simple English on the side of a bus.

[naomi24]

Pixie at 17.23. That’s illogical. If the culture of Islam changed we would not be seeing this and therefore there would be fewer victims of violence. This does originate from religion, of that there can be no doubt.

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//not impunity fatticus, evidence. You don't what a lie is and you can't read simple English on the side of a bus.//

Try that again with the omitted word.
Also, you failed to notice the grammatical spelling error in your earlier post whilst accusing someone of having only limited intelligence.
You really ought to be a tad more circumspect.

[pixie374]

There is doubt- because it is not true. All religions were invented for the purpose of men to control women- (not misandry, ttt, and not "all men).
Get rid of all religion- and you will have the same amount of violence- but with different methods and excuses.
As I said earlier, the UK has the same amount of mtf violence- which is nothing to do with Muslims. It isn't religion that "causes" it.

[ToraToraTora]

once again fatticus, we generally don't focus on each other's typos on here. It's sort of a case of "let he who is without sin throw the first stone....." and it also indicates that you have no effective reply.

[pixie374]

Fatticus, sorry, I automatically anagrammed it x

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "All religions were invented for the purpose of men to control women- (not misandry, ttt, and not "all men). " - well half right, all religions where created for the purpose of control of people generally.

[naomi24]

Pixie, it’s that sort of denial that causes the authorities to turn a blind eye. They, like you, refuse to acknowledge reality - and none of you are doing Muslim women - or the victims of Muslim grooming gangs for that matter - any favours whatsoever. This is an unforgivable product of an appalling culture.

[Buenchico]

Moderator's note to Youngmafbog (and others):
I'll leave this thread here for now, as it's attracted a fair bit of debate already but please note that I'm getting heartily FED UP of deleting posts from Chatterbank that clearly DON'T belong in this section. (If I'd have been around at lunchtime, when this thread was started, it would definitely have gone the same way. I have though deleted another inappropriate thread, posted at around the same time, that hadn't yet garnered any responses).

Please posts threads like this one in 'News', 'Current Affairs', 'Society & Culture' or any other appropriate section, leaving Chatterbank free for 'natter and fun':
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1759088.html

[pixie374]

Unsurprisingly, naomi, I totally disagree. I don't think it does anyone any favours to blame "religion" or inanimate books, for human behaviour. I don't care what the excuse is.
We have male partners killing female partners, out of sexual control- but don't call them "honour killings". The words don't matter here- the result and cause are the same.