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The voters in America will once again have to make a choice. It will not be influenced by the narcissist rage of a few wannabe opinion brokers on an obscure website in a foreign Country. They will have to choose between a candidate with a brash and and guileless personality who has America's best interests, and therefor theirs, at heart and as the core of his...
18:53 Wed 27th Jul 2022
The wheels of justice roll slowly, and a House select committee that's investigating the Jan. 6 attack has identified laws it believes Trump broke. That doesn't mean that Trump will ever be charged though, as this article from only yesterday lays out ...
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The article I linked to above has a little scrolling section called "Key Revelations From the Jan. 6 Hearings" which, if you interact with it, gives a summary of House committee hearings so far, as follows:
The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is laying out a comprehensive narrative of President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Here are the main themes that have emerged so far from eight public hearings:
An unsettling narrative. During the first hearing, the committee described in vivid detail what it characterized as an attempted coup orchestrated by the former president that culminated in the assault on the Capitol. At the heart of the gripping story were three main players: Mr. Trump, the Proud Boys and a Capitol Police officer.
Creating election lies. In its second hearing, the panel showed how Mr. Trump ignored aides and advisers as he declared victory prematurely and relentlessly pressed claims of fraud he was told were wrong. “He’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,” William P. Barr, the former attorney general, said of Mr. Trump during a videotaped interview.
Trump ignored aides and advisers as he declared victory prematurely and relentlessly pressed claims of fraud he was told were wrong. “He’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,” William P. Barr, the former attorney general, said of Mr. Trump during a videotaped interview.
Pressuring Pence. Mr. Trump continued pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to go along with a plan to overturn his loss even after he was told it was illegal, according to testimony laid out by the panel during the third hearing. The committee showed how Mr. Trump’s actions led his supporters to storm the Capitol, sending Mr. Pence fleeing for his life.
Fake elector plan. The committee used its fourth hearing to detail how Mr. Trump was personally involved in a scheme to put forward fake electors. The panel also presented fresh details on how the former president leaned on state officials to invalidate his defeat, opening them up to violent threats when they refused.
Strong arming the Justice Dept. During the fifth hearing, the panel explored Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging and relentless scheme to misuse the Justice Department to keep himself in power. The panel also presented evidence that at least half a dozen Republican members of Congress sought pre-emptive pardons.
The surprise hearing. Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide, delivered explosive testimony during the panel’s sixth session, saying that the president knew the crowd on Jan. 6 was armed, but wanted to loosen security. She also painted Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, as disengaged and unwilling to act as rioters approached the Capitol.
Planning a march. Mr. Trump planned to lead a march to the Capitol on Jan. 6 but wanted it to look spontaneous, the committee revealed during its seventh hearing. Representative Liz Cheney also said that Mr. Trump had reached out to a witness in the panel’s investigation, and that the committee had informed the Justice Department of the approach.
A “complete dereliction” of duty. In the final public hearing of the summer, the panel accused the former president of dereliction of duty for failing to act to stop the Capitol assault. The committee documented how, over 187 minutes, Mr. Trump had ignored pleas to call off the mob and then refused to say the election was over even a day after the attack.
The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is laying out a comprehensive narrative of President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Here are the main themes that have emerged so far from eight public hearings:
An unsettling narrative. During the first hearing, the committee described in vivid detail what it characterized as an attempted coup orchestrated by the former president that culminated in the assault on the Capitol. At the heart of the gripping story were three main players: Mr. Trump, the Proud Boys and a Capitol Police officer.
Creating election lies. In its second hearing, the panel showed how Mr. Trump ignored aides and advisers as he declared victory prematurely and relentlessly pressed claims of fraud he was told were wrong. “He’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,” William P. Barr, the former attorney general, said of Mr. Trump during a videotaped interview.
Trump ignored aides and advisers as he declared victory prematurely and relentlessly pressed claims of fraud he was told were wrong. “He’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,” William P. Barr, the former attorney general, said of Mr. Trump during a videotaped interview.
Pressuring Pence. Mr. Trump continued pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to go along with a plan to overturn his loss even after he was told it was illegal, according to testimony laid out by the panel during the third hearing. The committee showed how Mr. Trump’s actions led his supporters to storm the Capitol, sending Mr. Pence fleeing for his life.
Fake elector plan. The committee used its fourth hearing to detail how Mr. Trump was personally involved in a scheme to put forward fake electors. The panel also presented fresh details on how the former president leaned on state officials to invalidate his defeat, opening them up to violent threats when they refused.
Strong arming the Justice Dept. During the fifth hearing, the panel explored Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging and relentless scheme to misuse the Justice Department to keep himself in power. The panel also presented evidence that at least half a dozen Republican members of Congress sought pre-emptive pardons.
The surprise hearing. Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide, delivered explosive testimony during the panel’s sixth session, saying that the president knew the crowd on Jan. 6 was armed, but wanted to loosen security. She also painted Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, as disengaged and unwilling to act as rioters approached the Capitol.
Planning a march. Mr. Trump planned to lead a march to the Capitol on Jan. 6 but wanted it to look spontaneous, the committee revealed during its seventh hearing. Representative Liz Cheney also said that Mr. Trump had reached out to a witness in the panel’s investigation, and that the committee had informed the Justice Department of the approach.
A “complete dereliction” of duty. In the final public hearing of the summer, the panel accused the former president of dereliction of duty for failing to act to stop the Capitol assault. The committee documented how, over 187 minutes, Mr. Trump had ignored pleas to call off the mob and then refused to say the election was over even a day after the attack.
The link @18.16 is behind a subscription paywall and I do not intend to subscribe to NYT.
Tell us does it include a reply to the letter sent to the "committee" by Louie Gohmert an American attorney, politician and former jurist serving as the U.S. representative from Texas's 1st congressional district? In it he asks for some clarifications particularly the "testimony" of Cassidy Hutchinson and certain omissions during press briefings. The letter was sent some time ago so there should be a reply by now. In it Gohmert observed that there were serious issues with how the committee handled her testimony and went on to elaberate
""As multiple media outlets have reported, the Secret Service agent and driver implicated in Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony deny the accuracy of her account. This very public discrepancy goes directly to the credibility of the witness and likewise that of the Committee, calling into question the selective and biased manner in which the Committee presented testimony to the American public. As you know well, there are reasons that hearsay is rarely allowed in a courtroom, because of its unreliablity. Yet, you chose the unreliable testimony over more reliable direct live testimony from the Secret Service Agents in question.
Furthermore, having reviewed the video of Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony, there is reason to believe that her deposition was deceptively edited...""
He also said he has made his demand because of the “flatly erroneous, malicious lies presented by your committee ... ouch.
Tell us does it include a reply to the letter sent to the "committee" by Louie Gohmert an American attorney, politician and former jurist serving as the U.S. representative from Texas's 1st congressional district? In it he asks for some clarifications particularly the "testimony" of Cassidy Hutchinson and certain omissions during press briefings. The letter was sent some time ago so there should be a reply by now. In it Gohmert observed that there were serious issues with how the committee handled her testimony and went on to elaberate
""As multiple media outlets have reported, the Secret Service agent and driver implicated in Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony deny the accuracy of her account. This very public discrepancy goes directly to the credibility of the witness and likewise that of the Committee, calling into question the selective and biased manner in which the Committee presented testimony to the American public. As you know well, there are reasons that hearsay is rarely allowed in a courtroom, because of its unreliablity. Yet, you chose the unreliable testimony over more reliable direct live testimony from the Secret Service Agents in question.
Furthermore, having reviewed the video of Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony, there is reason to believe that her deposition was deceptively edited...""
He also said he has made his demand because of the “flatly erroneous, malicious lies presented by your committee ... ouch.
As I said earlier ...
> to a casual outside observer like me, it seems pretty obvious that he had a role in rallying the mob. You only have to look at everything he said, and everything the mob was carrying ... but let's see what their legal process decides.
It's quite probable, as the NYT article points out, that the American legal process will not convict him. Especially as appeals can go all the way up to the Supreme Court, which we know is stuffed with Trump's recent appointees! But let's see.
> to a casual outside observer like me, it seems pretty obvious that he had a role in rallying the mob. You only have to look at everything he said, and everything the mob was carrying ... but let's see what their legal process decides.
It's quite probable, as the NYT article points out, that the American legal process will not convict him. Especially as appeals can go all the way up to the Supreme Court, which we know is stuffed with Trump's recent appointees! But let's see.
I get the impression you would not believe it even of he was convicted khandro...
why do you think donald trump personally edited his speech on the evening of jan 6th to remove a line saying the rioters did not represent him?
why do you think he watched what was happening on tv for 3 hours and did nothing even when pleaded to act?
why do you think he wanted Oath Keepers and Proud Boys specifically to attend his rally while heavily armed?
I suspect that in fact you do know... you just don't care...
why do you think donald trump personally edited his speech on the evening of jan 6th to remove a line saying the rioters did not represent him?
why do you think he watched what was happening on tv for 3 hours and did nothing even when pleaded to act?
why do you think he wanted Oath Keepers and Proud Boys specifically to attend his rally while heavily armed?
I suspect that in fact you do know... you just don't care...
he could have called them off, disavowed them and disassociated himself from them, instructed them to disperse… even his own daughter was asking him to do that, as were many of his staffers. He refused.
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